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    The Jake Long Debate and How that Affects the Draft Plans

    I guess we can add left tackle to the Dolphins list of needs now, or right tackle if Jonathan Martin is moved to the left. So the question is how much does Long's injury affect the offseason and, specifically, the draft? As is stands, we all know the Dolphins need that physical presence at wide receiver and also someone who can take the top off a defense. It could be two players or one guy who can do both. We need a pass rusher opposite Cam Wake, maybe even two guys who can harass the qb on a consistent basis. We need a shutdown corner and at least one zone blocking guard. And the team needs a tight end who can stretch the defense and possibly a safety. Linebacking depth is also an issue.

    With all the needs the team has it seems the best player available in each round would serve Miami well. But, the team has to be able to protect Ryan Tannehill and get him some weapons. Does this draft now become primarily offensive and what right tackles could be had in the 2nd/3rd/4th rounds who could start immediately and be at least solid? Are we now looking offensive line earlier than anticipated?
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    I think the Dolphins showed their hand a bit when they subbed Jon Martin in at left tackle in place of Jake Long. If they allow Long to leave whether it be in a trade or as a free agent, I think Jon Martin is the guy they plug in at left tackle. It will create an easier situation for the front office as right tackles are easier to find than left tackles.

    Of course that could all get blown to hell if Jon Martin gets owned by Justin Smith, Aldon Smith, Jeremy Mincey, Mario Williams and Chandler Jones the rest of the season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    I think the Dolphins showed their hand a bit when they subbed Jon Martin in at left tackle in place of Jake Long. If they allow Long to leave whether it be in a trade or as a free agent, I think Jon Martin is the guy they plug in at left tackle. It will create an easier situation for the front office as right tackles are easier to find than left tackles.

    Of course that could all get blown to hell if Jon Martin gets owned by Justin Smith, Aldon Smith, Jeremy Mincey, Mario Williams and Chandler Jones the rest of the season.
    Both Smiths will eat Martin up. Williams will definitely put him on his ass and Jones should give him some headaches.
    Martin is definitely going to show he can't play LT in the NFL. He is my biggest dissapiontment so far. I haven't seen him progress one bit when it comes to 2 things happening, his "feet go dead on him and he falls backwards"
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    Quote Originally Posted by SR 7 View Post
    Both Smiths will eat Martin up. Williams will definitely put him on his ass and Jones should give him some headaches.
    Martin is definitely going to show he can't play LT in the NFL. He is my biggest dissapiontment so far. I haven't seen him progress one bit when it comes to 2 things happening, his "feet go dead on him and he falls backwards"
    LOL that Martin is your biggest disappointment this year. This posts gets the biggest "whatever". Martin isn't anywhere near the top of Miami's disappoinment list. Hell, there are two other Linemen alone that are way further up that list. Long and Cog are total crap. Get real with your Oline eval.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCOTTY View Post
    LOL that Martin is your biggest disappointment this year. This posts gets the biggest "whatever". Martin isn't anywhere near the top of Miami's disappoinment list. Hell, there are two other Linemen alone that are way further up that list. Long and Cog are total crap. Get real with your Oline eval.
    FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS have Martin rated as the 32 rated right tackle against the run
    we average 2.91 yards per rush behind Martin...We are the only team in the NFL
    that runs less than 3 yards a carry behind a right tackle

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    I think the Dolphins showed their hand a bit when they subbed Jon Martin in at left tackle in place of Jake Long. If they allow Long to leave whether it be in a trade or as a free agent, I think Jon Martin is the guy they plug in at left tackle. It will create an easier situation for the front office as right tackles are easier to find than left tackles.

    Of course that could all get blown to hell if Jon Martin gets owned by Justin Smith, Aldon Smith, Jeremy Mincey, Mario Williams and Chandler Jones the rest of the season.
    Do you mean owned anymore than Long has been all season...Long has played his last down in Miami. Martin will move to LT and we'll go RT in the 3rd round.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCOTTY View Post
    Do you mean owned anymore than Long has been all season...Long has played his last down in Miami. Martin will move to LT and we'll go RT in the 3rd round.

    Exactly... this is pretty much how I feel about it. I don't even subscribe to the notion that there's a debate to begin with... that debate was lost by the pro-Jake Long crowd a long time ago.

    I think he's been one of the most overrated players in the league since he got there. You wouldn't even have to call him by name for most people to know who you were talking about. Just address him as "John Abraham and Dwight Freeney's whippin' boy" and people would know exactly who you were talking about. They've owned him since day 1.

    There's numerous threads going back a long time where I stated giving Jake Long a bunch of money is the worst thing a team could do. This guy's 15 minutes is up...
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    I don't think it has any affect, simply because I would doubt that thye had planned to Franchise Tag Long for the $15MM that would have been required. Martin played respectably yesterday, so it wouldn't surprise me if they waited to round 4 to select a right tackle. Priorities will probably be DE, WR(2), CB, TE, OT and OG. Some will be addressed in free agency, so we'll have a better idea of draft needs by the end of March.
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    JUST SIGN Patriot Sebastian Vollmer to play right tackle
    he also has played left tackle and wouldn't require a ton of money
    He's making 1/2 of what Murtha is

    the only caveat is his back
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    Quote Originally Posted by miamiron View Post
    JUST SIGN Patriot Sebastian Vollmer to play right tackle
    he also has played left tackle and wouldn't require a ton of money
    He's making 1/2 of what Murtha is

    the only caveat is his back
    We know he can handle Pass Rusher like Cam wake!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    I think the Dolphins showed their hand a bit when they subbed Jon Martin in at left tackle in place of Jake Long. If they allow Long to leave whether it be in a trade or as a free agent, I think Jon Martin is the guy they plug in at left tackle. It will create an easier situation for the front office as right tackles are easier to find than left tackles.

    Of course that could all get blown to hell if Jon Martin gets owned by Justin Smith, Aldon Smith, Jeremy Mincey, Mario Williams and Chandler Jones the rest of the season.
    CK,

    Why is it easier to play at RT compared to LT? Thus easier to find a RT than a LT!
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