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Thread: Syria loads chemical weapons into bombs; military awaits Assad's order......

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    I fail to see why anyone would be shocked to see America ready to pounce on Syria. I mean the government has had a hard on for them since well before 9/11. The only thing keeping us out of North Korea is a full fledged WWIII with China, North Korea and Iran.

    Right now Syria is the odd man out so the US figures why not make sure the interest that we deem as "right" is well supported and oh by the way maybe we will shut down the air space over Syria just to make sure things go our way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoFins! View Post
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    MORE WAR!!!!!!!!

    Yeah that's what we need!!!!!!

    Fiscal cliff what's that????





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    Paris: NATO-Arab Syria intervention imminent

    Sources close to the French Defense Ministry reported Friday, Dec. 7, that a Western-Arab military intervention against the Assad regime is due to begin shortly with the participation of the US, France, Britain, Turkey, Jordan and other anti-Assad Arab nations. debkafile: The reference is to Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Qatar’s special forces.
    Our military sources add that the French aircraft carrier Charles De Gaulle carrying a complement of marines is deployed in the Mediterranean, having joined the USS Eisenhower Carrier Strike Group and at least five British warships which are also carrying a large marine force.

    In the second and third weeks of November, British and French naval forces, plus 2,600 special ops combatants from both nations, performed landing-and-capture exercises against fortified locations on the coast and mountains of Albania as practice for potential operations against similar terrain in Syria, where the Alawite Mountains loom over the coastal towns of Latakia and Tartus.

    The troops landing there would head for the Alawite Mts. to prevent Assad and his loyal units from retreating to his mountain stronghold and fighting on from there - as he plans to do if he is forced to flee Damascus.

    French sources told Le Point magazine that the NATO mission for Syria, including the UK and the US, would be modeled on the Western intervention in Libya in 2011. It would combine an aerial blitz with ground action by special forces for destroying Assad’s chemical weapons stocks, his air force and his air defense systems.
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    Obama’s Syria Policy Comes Dangerously Close to ‘Bush Doctrine’

    The Obama administration is peddling two scenarios for a potential war in Syria. With news and official statements this week repeating uncorroborated allegations that the Assad regime is moving and mixing elements of chemical weapons and possibly loading the materials into bombs, administration officials warn that the US could intervene militarily (1) if the regime uses these weapons on its own people, and (2) if the danger that these chemical weapons could get into the hands of Islamic militant groups becomes too great.
    While it is true that the Obama administration may intervene under scenario (1), public statements to this effect are misleading. Consider Bilal Y. Saab, Executive Director of the Institute for Near East and Gulf Military Analysis, on why Obama’s supposed red line on the use of chemical weapons “lacks credibility.

    Why has the United States drawn a red line here and not elsewhere?

    Obama’s words could reflect a humanitarian concern and a moral responsibility to prevent the further loss of life in Syria. Yet the president has not reacted forcefully to the tens of thousands who have already perished without a single poison being used. Chemical weapons are considered weapons of mass destruction, and if used effectively, could kill in the thousands. But so can fighter jets, helicopters, tanks and artillery—and they already have.

    Indeed, chemical weapons draw international alarm, but they are no more a threat to civilian life really than what has already been going on in Syria. Additionally, in order to intervene on this basis, the US would have to justify it under the Responsibility to Protect doctrine, which is controversial to say the least. And the intervention would rest on even shakier legal basis because it would be unlikely to receive full support at the UN Security Council.

    Even then, the US lacks feasible military options. A no-fly zone is likely to put more civilians at risk, and bombing the chemical stockpiles would be about as bad as Assad unleashing them on his own targets. If the US were to move in with ground forces to secure the weapons, it would take at least 75,000 troops, and any limited mission to secure the weapons would lend itself to mission creep and eventually turn into regime change with no viable interim government, which would then turn into a long and bloody occupation costing hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars as it did in Iraq.

    What about scenario (2)? The Obama administration is playing it off like this is the less important of the two scenarios for intervention, but I’m betting its the more important one, just not for public consumption. In August, Obama said “We cannot have a situation in which [chemical/biological weapons] are falling into the hands of the wrong people.” On Wednesday, Secretary of State Clinton reiterated that “Our concerns are that an increasingly desperate Assad regime might turn to chemical weapons, or might lose control of them to one of the many groups that are now operating within Syria.” Israel’s vice prime minister Moshe Yaalon said on Thursday, ”There is speculation that the chemical arsenal will fall into the hostile and irresponsible hands of the likes of al-Qaida or other terrorist groups.”

    For those of us that can remember the Bush administration’s justifications for the invasion of Iraq in 2003, this scenario should sound familiar. Three international relations scholars, Paul R. Williams, J. Trevor Ulbrick, and Jonathan Worboys, explain in Foreign Policy how “the Obama administration risks resurrecting the much-maligned Bush Doctrine of preemptive self-defense.”

    Under international law, a state may only invoke its right of self-defense in the case of an actual or imminent attack. After the 9/11 attacks by al Qaeda, however, the Bush administration asserted a right of preemptive self-defense against terrorist groups and states that harbor them or could supply them with weapons of mass destruction (WMD). Many states and experts rejected this justification for the 2003 Iraq war because Iraq could not be linked to WMDs or the 9/11 attacks. Unlike Iraq, Syria has CBW and has forged a close partnership with Hezbollah. Nevertheless, preemptive self-defense still suffers from the same theoretical deficiencies it did in 2003. The doctrine has a weak basis in international law and its legal recognition would improperly justify the use of force by powerful states.

    The Bush administration’s invasion of Iraq was an outright war crime, resting as it did on fudged evidence of a non-existent threat and, of course, no credible justification of self-defense. The situation with Syria right now isn’t exactly identical, but it’s notable that the Obama administration’s calculations for intervention rest on the same, almost universally reviled war criminal logic as the Bush administration.
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    How crazy would it be with Obama starting a war with a country, while at the same time we're debating the fiscal cliff and debt ceiling???

    If that happens I will literally S myself from all the water carrying that will be released like a tsunami.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolphins9954 View Post
    Obama’s Syria Policy Comes Dangerously Close to ‘Bush Doctrine’



    http://antiwar.com/blog/2012/12/06/o...bush-doctrine/

    How crazy would it be with Obama starting a war with a country, while at the same time we're debating the fiscal cliff and debt ceiling???

    If that happens I will literally S myself from all the water carrying that will be released like a tsunami.
    Obama would never get us into a war. Only Republicans do that. He's totally different from Bush.

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    Could we just for once not get involved in other countries problems????
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    Obama’s Syria Policy Comes Dangerously Close to ‘Bush Doctrine’

    Would someone please list the differences between GWB's and Obama's foreign policies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoFins! View Post
    Would someone please list the differences between GWB's and Obama's foreign policies?

    Obama sells it better. That's it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolphins9954 View Post
    Obama sells it better. That's it.
    Yeah...Bush was plain old news print variety salesman

    Obama comes with straight up Late night infomercial Billy Mays, Ron Popeil, Tony Little Shizznit


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