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Thread: Is Ireland incapable of identifying explosive players?

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    He likes them but doesn't draft them. He gets credit for liking them, right?

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    Is Ireland incapable of identifying explosive players?

    This is an issue that casual fans don't seem to grasp. Players that have to meet specific size requirements vs playmaking skill. All you need to do is look at the product on the field and recall Parcells ridiculous requirements. Those rules have kept a large amount of playmaking ability off Miami draft boards.

    I think it's unreasonable to think that Ireland can change how he evaluates and drafts which contradicts what Philbin desires in a player. Philbin came from a winning to a losing culture and until the change is made at GM and throughout the scouting department, I don't see Philbin having much success here. What really chaps my ass is that I like Philbin and think he is the best coach the Dolphins have had since Shula.
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    When faced with the choice between Daniel Thomas and Demarco Murray he chose Thomas. He chose Egnew over Hilton as a potential playmaker in our passing game. Yes, he has problems identifying playmakers.

    Rishard is a potential exception and I just hope he's given the opportunity to prove what a natural playmaker he is as he showed spectacularly in college.
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    Is Ireland incapable of identifying explosive players?

    after hearing Fasano on QAM just now (12/11), it's abundantly clear that Ireland is drafting what he thinks and not what the coaches want or need! Fasano said Egnew's not playing because he's never been in the system and doesn't know what he's being asked to do! WOW!!! b-e-a-utiful.

    any Ireland defenders wanna step up on this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadDog 88 View Post
    This is an issue that casual fans don't seem to grasp. Players that have to meet specific size requirements vs playmaking skill. All you need to do is look at the product on the field and recall Parcells ridiculous requirements. Those rules have kept a large amount of playmaking ability off Miami draft boards.

    I think it's unreasonable to think that Ireland can change how he evaluates and drafts which contradicts what Philbin desires in a player. Philbin came from a winning to a losing culture and until the change is made at GM and throughout the scouting department, I don't see Philbin having much success here. What really chaps my ass is that I like Philbin and think he is the best coach the Dolphins have had since Shula.
    I agree with your first point, but disagree with your second. I think Ireland's strength lies in scouting on the defensive side of the ball. I think the counterbalance of Philbin/Sherman, with the latter being a former GM himself, will help Ireland find the players who fit the offense's new scheme.

    The 2012 was primarily an offensive draft. They went offense with picks the picks in round 1, 2, 3b, 4, 6, 7b. Of course, those picks were high ceiling developmental guys which is exactly the kind that Ireland typically shies away from.
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    [QUOTE=Mogwai;1064526873]When faced with the choice between Daniel Thomas and Demarco Murray he chose Thomas. He chose Egnew over Hilton as a potential playmaker in our passing game. Yes, he has problems identifying playmakers.


    Those are perfect examples of why Ireland (Ball Boy/Placekicker) Needs to Go. The Dolphins are not going anywhere, again until this Loser is Gone. Daniel Thomas and Egnew would not even be on a Good Teams Roster. Hence we are not a Good Team man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlockz View Post
    My biggest gripes with the Gates pick, he seemed really raw and did not have a long history of top production at a fairly minor institution. He seemed a guy with speed but was a lesser prospect to me than recent draftee Knox also from there. That combined with him being slightly overaged made him less of a prospect to me
    Obviously hindsight is 20/20 here but being at a small school hasn't stopped a metric ton of prospects ending up good in the NFL and Knox was actually a good example of how that could happen. Personally I don't care about the age and I've never had a history caring about it. Bottom line to me on Gates is that he doesn't have a feel for the game (which we knew) and he wasn't learning it (which was difficult to predict). Sometimes when you go with guys that are new to the game and came a long way in a short amount of time, it's a really, really good sign. Sometimes you end up wishing you'd gotten a dude that's been playing exactly the position he's playing since he was 7 years old. Intelligence might be the delta for when it's ok and when it's not, and from what I've seen Gates isn't the brightest bulb.
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