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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    Obviously hindsight is 20/20 here but being at a small school hasn't stopped a metric ton of prospects ending up good in the NFL and Knox was actually a good example of how that could happen. Personally I don't care about the age and I've never had a history caring about it. Bottom line to me on Gates is that he doesn't have a feel for the game (which we knew) and he wasn't learning it (which was difficult to predict). Sometimes when you go with guys that are new to the game and came a long way in a short amount of time, it's a really, really good sign. Sometimes you end up wishing you'd gotten a dude that's been playing exactly the position he's playing since he was 7 years old. Intelligence might be the delta for when it's ok and when it's not, and from what I've seen Gates isn't the brightest bulb.
    We still should've drafted Denarius Moore out of Tennessee that year. I still can't believe that dude went in the 5th round.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mogwai View Post
    When faced with the choice between Daniel Thomas and Demarco Murray he chose Thomas. He chose Egnew over Hilton as a potential playmaker in our passing game. Yes, he has problems identifying playmakers.

    Rishard is a potential exception and I just hope he's given the opportunity to prove what a natural playmaker he is as he showed spectacularly in college.
    Demarco Murray had legitimate injury concerns.
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    I wonder if Philbin would go straight to Ross and tell him that he has no faith in Ireland assembling the roster...

    I remember from Hard Knocks these two didn't have the same opinion on a few players...
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    Probably not since he's the new man on campus compared to Ireland being here for liek 5 years already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    Obviously hindsight is 20/20 here but being at a small school hasn't stopped a metric ton of prospects ending up good in the NFL and Knox was actually a good example of how that could happen. Personally I don't care about the age and I've never had a history caring about it. Bottom line to me on Gates is that he doesn't have a feel for the game (which we knew) and he wasn't learning it (which was difficult to predict). Sometimes when you go with guys that are new to the game and came a long way in a short amount of time, it's a really, really good sign. Sometimes you end up wishing you'd gotten a dude that's been playing exactly the position he's playing since he was 7 years old. Intelligence might be the delta for when it's ok and when it's not, and from what I've seen Gates isn't the brightest bulb.

    Wasnt saying because he was from a small school he couldnt be successful but he really only had the one big year at Abilene unlike Knox who had 30 td receptions in two seasons there. That school produces solid talent but from watching both in college Knox was always the better prospect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkapePhin View Post
    Belichick isn't a good GM. He has had more failures in recent years than Ireland. Most of his FA acquisitions have been spectacular failures in recent years. The difference is that they still win so no one cares about the failures. A hall of fame QB will mask a lot of deficiencies in talent acquisition. Without Brady, Belichick would have been run out of town in recent years because of his poor performance as a GM.
    This is completely ludicrous. Yes Belichick misses on draft picks, but he has hit on many. The Pats generally stockpile picks like poker chips, and while they miss, they also hit. As opposed to the Jets philosophy of trading picks for players, the Patriots rarely do that.

    Go ahead and line up the Patriots drafts against Ireland's for the past 5 years. You will find more impact players drafted by the Pats. The Patriots have arguably the two best tight ends in football for gods sake. On the same roster.

    And while Brady makes this team go, don't kid yourself that without him they would suck at the Fins level. Anyone remember a guy named Matt Cassel?

    This is two franchises that have been polar opposites for more than a decade. It starts with strong ownership, and a core philosophy. A plan. And execution to the plan. Never overpaying aging players for starters. Stockpiling picks. Getting players to buy into team above individual.

    Your "this is all because of Brady" excuse is way off base.
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    Patriots traded up for Chandler Jones and Donta Hightower just this last draft.

    Patriots are elite because of Belicheck's prowess as a coach, not as a GM. He places too much on value, especially on injured players. Sometimes he gets Rob Gronkowski, other times he gets Ras I Dowling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exuro View Post
    Patriots traded up for Chandler Jones and Donta Hightower just this last draft.

    Patriots are elite because of Belicheck's prowess as a coach, not as a GM. He places too much on value, especially on injured players. Sometimes he gets Rob Gronkowski, other times he gets Ras I Dowling.
    The Patriots have playmakers at pretty much every position except maybe DE. They even have better DTs and Gaurds than us and thats supposed to be Ireland's specialty. Belichick as a gm>>>>>Ireland.
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    Is Ireland incapable of identifying explosive players?

    it'd be easier for him if they had a sparkly fuse stickin out of their melon.
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