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    HOMERISM Bess and Hartline

    A few weeks ago someone mentioned in a thread about the productivity of these two. Hartline has 925 yards and Bess has 778 yards. These two are having surprisingly good years despite all the offensive struggles. These guys are pretty good 2nd and 3rd receivers and we need to keep Hartline this offseason. Imagine hoe effective they could be with a true #1 leading the way and taking the pressure off them.

    With a true 1 our receivers could be special. Bess, Hartline, Matthews, and a #1 would make for a good core for Tanneyhill to mature with.
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    Give it a rest 2 TDs between the two of them! Brian Hartline has a habit of tripping over his own feet and literally got tackled by a fingernail yesterday. He is a nice player and possibly a number 4 wr, but nothing more!


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    Neither of that crap duo should be on the field on 1st and 2nd down (they are because miami has no choice). Bess is a #3 WR and Hartline is a #4 on a decent offense.

    Anytime you have such crap starting for you on 1st and 2nd down, you have the ranked offense miami has


    They're both also atrocious in the red zone. They absolutely stink in tight spaces on a shortened field. This is because they both need tons of real estate and space to operate their routes.. Hartline runs deep comebacks that are a mile long to get open, Bess absolutely stinks beyond 10 yards on any route as he's piss poor at separation. He also has poor balance and falls down like a led zeppelin as soon as he catches a pass (notice the shot he took yesterday on the very rare occasion he actually kept his balance = UGLY fumble). At any stride of decent distance defenders easily catch up to him... they are #3 and #4/5 WR's at best

    No defensive coordinator is fearful of the pathetic slow trio of harline bess and meatball fasano (who can't hit the seam to save his life as he's slow as a turtle). None of these guys demand attention from defenses, safeties can roam free and do whatever they want to stifle miami's offense because nobody is worried about fasano hartline and bess.... and that's why Tannehill has a very ugly number of only 8 TD's going into the 14th game of the season
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyboy View Post
    Neither of that crap duo should be on the field on 1st and 2nd down (they are because miami has no choice). Bess is a #3 WR and Hartline is a #4 on a decent offense.

    Anytime you have such crap starting for you on 1st and 2nd down, you have the ranked offense miami has


    They're both also atrocious in the red zone. They absolutely stink in tight spaces on a shortened field. This is because they both need tons of real estate and space to operate their routes.. Hartline runs deep comebacks that are a mile long to get open, Bess absolutely stinks beyond 10 yards on any route as he's piss poor at separation. He also has poor balance and falls down like a led zeppelin as soon as he catches a pass (notice the shot he took yesterday on the very rare occasion he actually kept his balance = UGLY fumble). At any stride of decent distance defenders easily catch up to him... they are #3 and #4/5 WR's at best

    No defensive coordinator is fearful of the pathetic slow trio of harline bess and meatball fasano (who can't hit the seam to save his life as he's slow as a turtle). None of these guys demand attention from defenses, safeties can roam free and do whatever they want to stifle miami's offense because nobody is worried about fasano hartline and bess.... and that's why Tannehill has a very ugly number of only 8 TD's going into the 14th game of the season
    You do understand both these guys are being doubled all game every game because the opposition knows they are the only options Tanney has.they are good and would be better with a #1 on the field with them
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt11390 View Post
    You do understand both these guys are being doubled all game every game because the opposition knows they are the only options Tanney has.they are good and would be better with a #1 on the field with them
    While I agree they would be better if they had a #1 receiver to take the heat off them, you do realize there are plenty of teams with 2 and even 3 receivers better than Hartline and Bess? Ideally we should take the heat completely off them by having a legitimate #1 and #2 in there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GasPed View Post
    While I agree they would be better if they had a #1 receiver to take the heat off them, you do realize there are plenty of teams with 2 and even 3 receivers better than Hartline and Bess? Ideally we should take the heat completely off them by having a legitimate #1 and #2 in there...
    that would be the best case I agree
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt11390 View Post
    You do understand both these guys are being doubled all game every game because the opposition knows they are the only options Tanney has.they are good and would be better with a #1 on the field with them
    Being doubled? Most teams are leaving one safety deep and putting the other in the box. Teams have NO respect for these guys. I have only seen either of them doubled a hadnful of times all year and those were mostly because it was zone coverage and just happened to be two defenders in the zone. CK said it last week in a thread and I agree 100%. I would either resign Hartline and trade Bess or keep Bess and let Hartline walk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrlandoFin View Post
    Being doubled? Most teams are leaving one safety deep and putting the other in the box. Teams have NO respect for these guys. I have only seen either of them doubled a hadnful of times all year and those were mostly because it was zone coverage and just happened to be two defenders in the zone. CK said it last week in a thread and I agree 100%. I would either resign Hartline and trade Bess or keep Bess and let Hartline walk.
    Bess, under a good QB, would be as good as Welker for NE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt11390 View Post
    Bess, under a good QB, would be as good as Welker for NE.
    the overrating of Bess is absolutely asinine.

    Welker has a far more developed and expansive route tree, because is a far better and more complete player. Welker has much better balance, unlike Bess who falls on his arse 90% of the time he catches a pass. Weler also has far better ability to take it the distance, Bess has ZERO ability to do so. Welker clearly has better vision, can get open downfield routinely (unlike Bess who can only operate within 10 yards as he needs more space to operate than welker, hence the infinitely smaller route tree Bess has at his stable). Welker has more speed, is quicker, better lateral movement ability, is smarter, much harder to defend... and we're just getting started.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyboy View Post
    Neither of that crap duo should be on the field on 1st and 2nd down (they are because miami has no choice). Bess is a #3 WR and Hartline is a #4 on a decent offense.

    Anytime you have such crap starting for you on 1st and 2nd down, you have the ranked offense miami has


    They're both also atrocious in the red zone. They absolutely stink in tight spaces on a shortened field. This is because they both need tons of real estate and space to operate their routes.. Hartline runs deep comebacks that are a mile long to get open, Bess absolutely stinks beyond 10 yards on any route as he's piss poor at separation. He also has poor balance and falls down like a led zeppelin as soon as he catches a pass (notice the shot he took yesterday on the very rare occasion he actually kept his balance = UGLY fumble). At any stride of decent distance defenders easily catch up to him... they are #3 and #4/5 WR's at best

    No defensive coordinator is fearful of the pathetic slow trio of harline bess and meatball fasano (who can't hit the seam to save his life as he's slow as a turtle). None of these guys demand attention from defenses, safeties can roam free and do whatever they want to stifle miami's offense because nobody is worried about fasano hartline and bess.... and that's why Tannehill has a very ugly number of only 8 TD's going into the 14th game of the season

    I'm not fond with our receivers either but Blaming Bess for not getting separation is retarded, He's playing our of position on the boundary and still making plays. He's supposed to be inside where he can use his quickness and route running expertise against linebackers and nickel backs. PLEASE explain to me how Davone Bess has terrible balance ???? do you watch out games? the guy is always scooping under defenders and getting extra yards. don't accredit Bess's lack of td's to his route running that makes no sense, he's small that is the main issue it's tough for smaller guys to get open in a contained space.


    Bess is one of our bright spots on offense without a question.
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