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Thread: Dolphins likely to use tag on Sean Smith if no long term deal.. more on long

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    Quote Originally Posted by hooshoops View Post
    depends on the money as to how much of a "genius" you would have looked like...
    Impossible to say but I'm guessing he could have been extended for half of what he'll be worth when he becomes a free agent. With a back loaded contract could have had him for 2-3 million next season probably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phinfanNY08 View Post
    I would prefer to tag Long or Bush, pretty sure Sean Smith won't go anywhere, his numbers does not deserve 10 million a year, more like 2-3 mil at the most

    sure hope that was a joke, only tag Bush is getting is the one for his luggage at the airport.
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    i doubt he would have signed any extension a year before he was set to be free for $2-3 mil per...thats called betting against yourself in 2012 being able to do better than that...most these guys egos don't allow for that...now had we offered him say $4 mil per off last season i think he would have at least thought about it...but not in the $2 mil range...not if he thinks he's better than that...no agent takes that unless he knows his guy is trending down
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooshoops View Post
    hartlines not worth a tag...lets not get crazy here...transition or franchise with hartline hell no...you put a 1st round tender on hartline and you'll be paying him that tag amount cause no ones coming for him with that kind of compensation...ha ha

    i promise you that...

    i'm not big on tagging anyone of our free agents...$10.6 mil for sean smith for one year??? off how he fared the last half the season??? hells no...
    I respect your opinion Hoops but I want your plan B. We are already extra-thin at CB, what are we gonna do if Smith walks? Spend all our draft on corners? Overpay a free agent of the same caliber than Smith?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooshoops View Post
    i doubt he would have signed any extension a year before he was set to be free for $2-3 mil per...thats called betting against yourself in 2012 being able to do better than that...most these guys egos don't allow for that...now had we offered him say $4 mil per off last season i think he would have at least thought about it...but not in the $2 mil range...not if he thinks he's better than that...no agent takes that unless he knows his guy is trending down
    Yeah the average over 4 years would have been at least 4 per but i would try to backload as much as possible just in case I was wrong about him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt11390 View Post
    Seriously all the negative talk about Long is crazy. I get it he isn't worth the big money but I would love to keep him if he and the Phins can work a reasonable deal. He has given us some great years. He needs to get healthy I get it. If he gets healthy he will be one of the best in the league. I know Martin can play LT but if we can keep both our line will be in good shape. Plus keeping Matin at RT will keep his price down when Miami extends him. Just some thoughts.

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    Also I can live with Smith making big money. He's not top 5 at his position but we need him because he is good.
    I agree. I'd like to see the team keep Long. He has been the epitome of a team player and a clubhouse leader since his arrival. Long has played through injuries sometimes to his own detriment. I want to keep players like that on the team, although yes not at $15 million a year. If the team can sign him to a short-term deal in the $5-6 million range that would be great. I think he'll rebound. As to Smith, I also can't see Miami franchising him. I know it's tough to find corners and the draft doesn't look great in that area this year, but he isn't even a top 15 corner in the league.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket2981 View Post
    I respect your opinion Hoops but I want your plan B. We are already extra-thin at CB, what are we gonna do if Smith walks? Spend all our draft on corners? Overpay a free agent of the same caliber than Smith?
    and that's our dilemma...and why i keep saying sean smith has the leverage here...miami would be pretty much rebuilding at cb in one offseason if they let him walk...no matter what rookie we bring in here there is gonna be some growing pains and transition period no matter how good they end up being and i don't see miami wanting to take a step back at the position in the short term...

    they could tag him but thats a chunk of damn change...i think his market in free agency falls in the $8 mil per range...might have to do a 4 year $35 mil deal to retain him....

    also if we did cut weight with marshall and get some cap money back signing sean smith long term would not be as tough a pill to swallow at $8 mil per...nor would the tag for one year ar $10.6 mil...say you get $2 mil back letting marshall go i don't know the exact numbers but barry jackson says we would get some relief if marshall was let go that would help

    there's also the thought and i never believed this before i saw him the first quarter of the season that his best footballs in front of him...i can tell you he played the short inside cutting quick hitters way better this year it used to be anytime a wr crossed his face it was pitch and catch to the inside but that wasn't the case this year...so there's growth...and he didn't tackle as much like a girl this year...but he doesn't possess elite tools for the position either so whats his ceiling??? probably still very much inconsistent i'd say
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    I would much rather tag him than pay him $8 mill per year but really all options suck at this point. He's another guy we could have easily extended for about $4 million per year
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    i can tell ya this also...most those big name corners that are potential free agents if they leave they are gonna be leaving for damn good money to go elsewhere in the $10 mil per range which seems to be the going rate these days for high end corners in free agency do you if you're miami want to take a chance on someone else coming in and fitting with your philosophy and scheme at $10 mil per or do you want to retain sean smiths services knowing his limitations and what be brings to the table both in the lockerroom and on the field in that $8 mil per range...i think i know the way they'd look at it...also sean smith pretty much suits up every week...he may not be good every week but he plays you a full seasons sched pretty much...

    decisions decisions...
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    as for jake long 2 years $12 mil take it or leave it...and oh yeah you're being moved to right tackle...where you're feet are a better fit anyways
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