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    Dee Milliner vs Jonathan Banks

    Here is the scouts inc draft profiles of both CBs.

    Dee Milliner



    • Scouts Grade 94
    • Position Rank 1
    • Overall Rank 11
    • 40-YD Dash 4.48
    • Conference SEC


    Tackles Sacks INT
    51 1.5 2




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    Dee Milliner





    Overall Football Traits

    Production 2 2010: (13/11)-55-8-1; 2011: (13/6)-27-12-3; Career: 5TFL-1FF and 1PR-21-21.0-0
    Height-Weight-Speed 2 Above average top-end speed. Lean and tall corner that can add some bulk but has the frame to do it.
    Durability 2 Missed 2012 Western Kentucky game with a hip flexor injury though reportedly told coaches that he could have played.
    Intangibles 2 Plenty of experience playing in big games and no moment appears too big for him. Humble. He holds himself accountable and stands up for teammates.
    1 = Exceptional2 = Above average3 = Average4 = Below average5 = Marginal
    Cornerback Specific Traits

    Instincts/Recognition 1 Appears to make strides in terms of confidence and recognition during four-game evaluation. (2011 Arkansas, 2011 LSU, 2011 National Championship and 2012 Michigan) Recognizes routes and anticipates breaks. Reads receiver and quarterback when facing the line of scrimmage. Does a good job of mid-pointing high-low route combinations. Knows when to turn and locate the ball when forced to turn and run. Has experience lining up on the outside and over the slot. Doesn't just play pass and he reacts quickly when reads run.
    Cover Skills 2 Has the range and closing burst to excel in a zone heavy scheme. Fluid and long enough to develop into an effective press corner with increased upper body strength. Physical and knows how to run receivers off route. Average fluidity and burst in space but above average footwork and balance. Always looks under control.
    Ball Skills 2 Doesn't always come down with 50-50 ball but makes sure receiver doesn't either. While not an elite playmaker at this point has some upside. Flashes the ability to highpoint. Tracks the ball and times jumps well. Appears to have long arms on film and doesn't have to be in perfect position to get a hand on the ball.
    Run Support 2 Plays with an edge and doesn't shy away from contact. Willing to mix it up with offensive linemen and sacrifice body to make the play. Flashes the ability to lower shoulder and deliver big hit. Tougher than strong however and an inconsistent tackler. Takes too long to get off some blocks and can lose contain. Lunges at ball carriers' feet. Has some problems getting bigger ball carriers to the ground. Has the frame, instincts and range to play safety if gets stronger and improves consistency as a tackler. Even has some experience lining up in the box in Alabama scheme.
    1 = Exceptional2 = Above average3 = Average4 = Below average5 = Marginal

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    Johnthan Banks



    • Scouts Grade 90
    • Position Rank 2
    • Overall Rank 25
    • 40-YD Dash 4.5
    • ConferenceSEC


    Tackles Sacks INT
    59 4




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    Johnthan Banks





    Overall Football Traits

    Production 1 2009: (12/7) - 33-3-4 at DS; 2010: (13/12) - 54-5-2 at DC; 2011: (13/13) - 71-4-5; Career: PRs - 16-166-1.
    Height-Weight-Speed 2 Is tall with adequate bulk and long arms. Appears on tape to have adequate but not great straight-line speed.
    Durability 1 Has played in all 38 games during first three seasons at Mississippi State (2009-11).
    Intangibles 2 No off the field issues to our knowledge. Has proven to be a versatile player with experience at cornerback, safety and on special teams, including role as punt return specialist. Has a one-year old son named Keidan with his girlfriend. Grandson of Mrs. Maggie Banks.
    1 = Exceptional2 = Above average3 = Average4 = Below average5 = Marginal
    Cornerback Specific Traits

    Instincts/Recognition 2 Confident, competitive and experienced cornerback who continues to improve his recognition skills. Displays natural instincts as a football player. Is crafty and shows good situational awareness. Can be a quarter-count late diagnosing quick-hitting routes (slants, outs, etc.) when playing off the line. But does a very nice job of transitioning eyes from WR to QB when working in zone (see: INT vs. LSU 2011). Diagnoses run quickly without getting caught peeking in backfield. Shows good instincts when turned loose on the blitz, which occurs frequently (four 2011 tapes studied).
    Cover Skills 3 Has quick feet but is a bit high cut and lacks ideal change of direction skills. Has some trouble versus smaller, quicker WRs (ie Arkansas' Jarius Wright). However, he has the length to matchup well versus bigger WRs (ie LSU's Rueben Randle). Seems to be at his best in press-man coverage. Is learning how to properly use his hands to jab and reroute WRs at the line. Is aggressive and physical. Does a nice job with his feet and does not swing open the gate prematurely. Lacks explosive burst out of his pedal and teams will attack him with quick-hitters when they anticipate him giving a cushion.
    Ball Skills 2 Has been an above average ballhawk throughout his career. Has returned three of 12 career punt returns for TDs. Is aggressive and attacks the ball like a WR. Does not appear to have great leaping ability but has long arms and has proven capable of catching ball over head.
    Run Support 1 Aggressive cornerback. Not at all afraid to mix it up physically. Flies around the field and will sacrifice his body to get in on the play. Needs to be more consistent with hand usage and continue to improve upper body strength to disengage quicker. But he is willing and active in support. Does a nice job with outside leverage. Not afraid to mix it up near the line of scrimmage. Has experience at DS and has worked as an eight defender in the box. Also shows very good awareness when turned loose off the edge as a blitzer. Has a tendency to wrap up a bit high but does a better job than most college CBs of finishing tackles. Looks to strip the ball when possible and has flashed effectiveness in that area.
    1 = Exceptional2 = Above average3 = Average4 = Below average5 = Marginal
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    Millner is the better CB imo but Banks is the better athlete. Millner may go in the top 10 to the Lions, Eagles, or Browns so I guess Banks would be the pick.
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    Not sure I agree with those rankings, especially in the run. I looked a bit at both Banks and Slay because Northwestern was playing them in the bowl game (and made a 5 minute cutup video of their strengths and weaknesses for NU fans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ6Ok3hxcMQ) and one of the ways Miss. St got beat all year was in the screen game. Both Banks and Slay had good moments, but more bad than good. Personally, I see Milliner as the more physical of the two, but haven't looked as much at Milliner.

    I know Banks had an ankle injury in the middle of the year, but he definitely slowed down. His two INTs against FBS competition came against some pretty bad throws by Auburn's QB while he was under pressure. Some times it felt like he was out of position (see Alabama game) and his man coverage was solid but not at the level we saw Milliner at last night. Now all of that said, I don't think he's bad - but I'm not sure he's worth the 12th pick. If Milliner is there at 12, I'd definitely select him. The price to jump to number 7 in the draft looks to be about a 4th rounder, which I wouldn't be against if that was the price to get Milliner at around 7 or so.
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    I'd like to see what they have to say about Logan Ryan from Rutgers.
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    I've been pretty firmly in the Milliner camp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nando03 View Post
    I'd like to see what they have to say about Logan Ryan from Rutgers.
    They do not have any profile set up for him as of yet. I am sure we will know more after the combine
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    Could we not for once take a chance on the playmaker over the solid guy? If Milliner was truly elite and there was no great history of turnovers I could live with it. Patrick Peterson didn't have many college ints but was an elite level player and went on to have a monster turnover season in 2012. But surely Milliner's the embodiment of the sort of player we've been stocking our roster with. Low chance of failure, solid picks who almost certainly will be capable NFL starters.

    Banks had a horrible November, injury or not. Banks is probably not as rounded a corner as Milliner, despite the greater experience. Milliner may (or may not) be a shade quicker. But Banks is a playmaker. The idea they would both rank the same for ball skills in that report the OP posted, when Banks has 16 college interceptions, is crazy. Did you see Banks force the fumble and recover it himself in one motion against Tenn? That's a move you will never see from Milliner.

    our turnover ratio is embarrassing. We have one of the worst fumble recovery records in the NFL, not just this year but previous seasons too. We are pathetic at making opponents pay for mistakes. Banks makes opponents pay. Sometimes they are gifted but mostly he's in the right place and exhibits the awareness and hands to make the pick. It's a skill all of its own and we need a lot more of it in Miami.

    So perhaps Milliner is the "better" CB. But I'm hoping for Banks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fin Thirteen View Post
    Could we not for once take a chance on the playmaker over the solid guy? If Milliner was truly elite and there was no great history of turnovers I could live with it. Patrick Peterson didn't have many college ints but was an elite level player and went on to have a monster turnover season in 2012. But surely Milliner's the embodiment of the sort of player we've been stocking our roster with. Low chance of failure, solid picks who almost certainly will be capable NFL starters.

    Banks had a horrible November, injury or not. Banks is probably not as rounded a corner as Milliner, despite the greater experience. Milliner may (or may not) be a shade quicker. But Banks is a playmaker. The idea they would both rank the same for ball skills in that report the OP posted, when Banks has 16 college interceptions, is crazy. Did you see Banks force the fumble and recover it himself in one motion against Tenn? That's a move you will never see from Milliner.

    our turnover ratio is embarrassing. We have one of the worst fumble recovery records in the NFL, not just this year but previous seasons too. We are pathetic at making opponents pay for mistakes. Banks makes opponents pay. Sometimes they are gifted but mostly he's in the right place and exhibits the awareness and hands to make the pick. It's a skill all of its own and we need a lot more of it in Miami.

    So perhaps Milliner is the "better" CB. But I'm hoping for Banks.
    I don' mind both and although Dee is a playmaker he doesn't shut them corners down like Dee. Both would be good pick that I hope take in the 1st, I think Dee has potential to turn into a shut down corner.
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    Dee Milliner vs Jonathan Banks

    Neither. We shouldn't be thinking about taking a cb in the first round. If we're gonna take anything other than Tyler Eifert or a wr in the first it needs to be a pass rusher. I'd take a mediocre corner with a good pass rush over Darrel Regis with a mediocre pass rush any day
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    If we take Banks/Milliner in round one then I will be a happy man. I would be happy with either and I think we would take Banks as I don't see Milliner on the board at 12. But after watching that Alabama game the other night with him up against Eifert, if we can take Dee Milliner then I will be one seriously happy Dolphin fan Smith and Milliner (or Banks) would be a nice pair. If we can sort WR in free agency and with a second round pickup like Bailey and take a CB round one then we will be in a great position next season.
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