Also during that span they were the lone team to defeat the 85 Bears who some consider to have the greatest single season defense ever and who also went 15-1. No question that phins team was elite.
Going 9-7 and 11-5, winning no division titles, and getting destroyed in the AFCCG twice hardly qualifies as elite. Especially when you consider the team had no business in the playoffs the first season because it was gift wrapped and they really only defeated one good team in the playoffs each season. Both 1st round games the Jests won were vs. teams that just werent any good and the divisional round wins required a great deal of luck.
You better hit bullseye, the kid don't play
Bill Belichick on "putting the tape on"
In the more competitive post-merger era, "elite" teams have both pinky rings (division titles) and SB rings (winning at least 3 games in the post season). No hardware = blue balls + fantasizing about what could have been, certainly not getting humiliated in the last 31 minutes by the team that decided to give them the bathroom pass.....and that's all.
I'm not saying the 1984 Dolphins weren't a good team but I have to stick to my definition of what elite is to me.
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You are always wrong about this. Explain to me how I've veered off my initial definition of what elite is. I have always said a team needs to WIN a Super Bowl first and then have success in later seasons. You had argued with me that the 2008, 2009, and 2010 Giants didn't have any success when they went 30-18 which I considered having success (not ultimate success of course as I've said before too).I like you, I think you are a good poster but one area you go off course is your definition of elite whicch we have discussed numerous times.
You're just pissy b/c my definition of elite doesn't match what the Jets did in 2009 and 2010.
I had said the 2011 Giants were elite b/c in winning the Super Bowl in 2011 they had won twice in five years and in between SB titles they went 30-18. To me, PhinzN703, that is elite. MY opinion.
Here's an example: 2002 Tampa Bay Bucs. They won the SB and went 12-20 the following two seasons. If they were elite, why would they go 12-20?