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    Quote Originally Posted by The New Guy View Post
    If I am trying to compare which team is better based on playoff apps, it matters a lot to me.



    Which happened to come in a year that the Pats were losers of 4 out of 5 at one point and finished 9-7. The Jets needed Miami to lose the final two games of that season to win the division at 9-7. The Jets didn't win it because they were a great team. They won it because NE struggled and Miami choked. Like I said before, NE would still have their share of division titles if they were in the North, but Pitt or Bal would have competed the 5 times that NE won the East winning 11 games or less, or the 7 times they won it winning 12 or less.




    They count for a head to head comparison just like the regular season head to head games do. Bal and Pitt have won 12 or more games 50% of the time in the last 4 seasons.

    I'm not using 1 playoff game and claiming Bal is better. I'm just using all of their head to head games and regular season records to compare how they would do against each other if they were in a division together. I'll count the Jets win in the playoffs. NE is still 6-3 against the Jets in the last 4 years. Compare that to the 2-3 record NE has against Bal and Pitt the last 4 years. NE has blown out the Jets several times, and the Jets largest margin of victory over NE is a 14 point win in 2009. NE has never blown out Bal in the last 4 years and Bal beat NE by 19 in 2009 and by 15 in 2012. The Jets have one close loss to NE. Bal has lost 3 close games to NE by 6 or less points.



    I thought playoff wins didn't win a division? Pitt was 15-1 that year and beat NE in the regular season. How would it have been possible for NE to win the North that year?



    I actually brought up the post season games, and included it the 4-2 record Brady has against Pitt in the Big Ben era. I scoffed at you calling that domination when you have consistently marginalized that same 4-2 record the Dolphins have over the Jets in their elite years.



    Scott Zolak could have won that game had he been the starter. The STs and D won that game, not Brady. It ridiculous to give him credit for that win.



    And still had trouble winning 9 games on their own.




    Even if you include the win against 4-12 Cincy, the Jets are only 2-1 in the regular season against the AFC North. 2-2 if you count the AFCCG loss to Pitt. How is a 2-1 regular season record against the North going to help the Jets win the division that year when both Bal and Pitt still won more games than the Jets?




    The common games for Pitt and the Jets in 2009 were:
    (Titans, Bengals, Raiders, Dolphins)

    3-2 for Jets. Though it is hardly fair to count the game in which Cincy had no desire to win.
    2-3 for Pitt.

    The common regular season games the Ravens and Jets had in 2009 were:
    (NE, Oak, Indy, Cincy)

    4-1 for the Jets. Again, hardly fair to count the Indy game and Cincy game.
    1-4 for Bal.

    Bal and Pitt won 9 games with no gimmes in 2009.

    Common regular season games for Bal and the Jets in 2010 were
    (Jets/Ravens, Bengals, Browns. Pitt, NE, Buff, Mia)

    8-3 for Jets.
    7-3 for Ravens.

    Common regular season games for Pitt and the Jets in 2010 were:

    (Pitt/Jets Bal, Cle, Mia, Buff, Cincy, NE)

    7-3 for the Jets
    5-3 for Pitt

    Ravens and Pitt both won 12 regular season games that year, and the Jets won 11. Pitt made the Super Bowl by beating the Jets.



    Common regular season games for Pitt and the Jets in 2011 were:
    (Bal, Jax, NE)

    1-4 for the Jets
    2-2 for Pitt

    Common regular season games for Bal and the Jets in 2011 were:
    (Bal/Jets, Jags)

    2-0 for Bal
    1-2 for the Jets

    The Ravens and Pitt both won 12 games again while the Jets won 8. Bal goes to AFCC game.


    Common regular season games for Bal and the Jets in 2012 were:
    (Pitt, NE, Hou, SD)
    3-2 for Bal
    1-4 for Jets


    Common regular season games for Pitt and the Jets in 2012 were:
    (Pitt/Jets Tenn, SD)
    1-2 for Pitt
    0-3 for the Jets.

    Jets miss the playoff again at 6-10 while Bal goes to the Super Bowl.

    What was the point of this whole thing again? Are we trying to compare the Jets to Bal and Pitt? I can make that a lot easier for both of us.

    Pitt 1 division title, and 1 Super Bowl app in the last 4 years.
    Bal 2 division titles and 1 Super Bowl app in the last 4 years.
    Jets 0 division titles and 0 Super apps in the last 4 years.
    I combined them.

    It's very fair to count the Cincy game, they played starters for a half and we whipped them.

    Bal and Pitt got SWEPT by Cincy, the jets went 2-0 against Cincy.

    so we were better in common games in 2010 too?

    The point is not that we were better just that we were on the same level, since the last 3 games of 2011 we have dropped off. Pitt has dopped off too but that's mostly b/c Ben got hurt.


    I'm not ddebating 2011 and 2012, they were better than us both years obviously. It's about 2009 & 2010.

    again, Pitt and Bal don't have to go through NE so they get home playoff games. it makes life easier.
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    It's very fair to count the Indy game as halfway through before the starters were pulled, they were beating the jets, and confirmed the probable outcome by outscoring them 45-27 overall and 24-zero in the last 31 minutes of the playoffs,- and that's wiith 2 of their 3 best defenders either being out (Sanders) or hobbled (Freeney). So posture all you want about the jets ever coming out on top of the Ravens and Steelers in any AFCN recent season.. a more persuasive argument can be made that they were not good enough to legitimately make the playoffs in their own division. Playoff competition not as a result of hardware or wins not resulting in hardware are nothing more than blue balls or "fools gold"
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    I combined them.
    You also left out games and got the records wrong. You gave Pitt and Bal a combined 1-6 record in common regular season games in 2009 when Pitt alone won 2 games agasint Ten and Mia.

    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    so we were better in common games in 2010 too?
    No, I just forgot to include the other division wins against Cle, Cincy and each other for Bal and Pitt. Their records head to head and in common regular season games are the same in 2010. Bal and NYJ were 8-3 each, and Pitt and NYJ were 7-3 each.

    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    The point is not that we were better just that we were on the same level, since the last 3 games of 2011 we have dropped off. Pitt has dopped off too but that's mostly b/c Ben got hurt.
    The closest year you could argue would be 2009, but the Jets got help winning 9 games while Pitt and Bal won 9 games each on their own. You also have to consider that Pitt was coming off a Super Bowl win the year before while the Jets were coming off a season in which they missed the playoffs. Bal was also in the AFCC game the year before. You can't just focus on 2 year window and ignore everything else.

    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    again, Pitt and Bal don't have to go through NE so they get home playoff games. it makes life easier.
    Bal and Pitt get home playoff games because they are capable of having quality regular seasons. The Jets can't even win the 5 seed. Is that because of NE as well? If the Jets could win 12 games in a season, they would have won a division title and had a home playoff game in 2009.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaark View Post
    It's very fair to count the Indy game as halfway through before the starters were pulled, they were beating the jets, and confirmed the probable outcome by outscoring them 45-27 overall and 24-zero in the last 31 minutes of the playoffs,- and that's wiith 2 of their 3 best defenders either being out (Sanders) or hobbled (Freeney). So posture all you want about the jets ever coming out on top of the Ravens and Steelers in any AFCN recent season.. a more persuasive argument can be made that they were not good enough to legitimately make the playoffs in their own division. Playoff competition not as a result of hardware or wins not resulting in hardware are nothing more than blue balls or "fools gold"
    It was a 5 pt game midway through the 3rd qtr. we have no idea how the game ends but even removing that game we still come out on top in common games.

    We didn't have any injuries? our most improtant defender going into that season was out since midseason and our best playmaker on O was out since midseason but it only counts when jets opponents get hurt. how come no mention of the Jets winning in the title game before Shonn Greene and all the DBs went down? I wonder why that is?

    Quote Originally Posted by The New Guy View Post
    You also left out games and got the records wrong. You gave Pitt and Bal a combined 1-6 record in common regular season games in 2009 when Pitt alone won 2 games agasint Ten and Mia.



    No, I just forgot to include the other division wins against Cle, Cincy and each other for Bal and Pitt. Their records head to head and in common regular season games are the same in 2010. Bal and NYJ were 8-3 each, and Pitt and NYJ were 7-3 each.



    The closest year you could argue would be 2009, but the Jets got help winning 9 games while Pitt and Bal won 9 games each on their own. You also have to consider that Pitt was coming off a Super Bowl win the year before while the Jets were coming off a season in which they missed the playoffs. Bal was also in the AFCC game the year before. You can't just focus on 2 year window and ignore everything else.



    Bal and Pitt get home playoff games because they are capable of having quality regular seasons. The Jets can't even win the 5 seed. Is that because of NE as well? If the Jets could win 12 games in a season, they would have won a division title and had a home playoff game in 2009.
    Either way the jets come out on top though, right?

    so just as good in 2010 kind of meaning that we were on a similar level, right? which has been the point of this discussion. Thanks for clearing it up.


    bal and Pitt are 2 very good teams in most years but they wouldn't be hosting any playoff games(unless they were a 5 seed and faced a 6 seed in the title game which almost happened for the Jets in '09, had bal beaten Indy the week before the Jets would have hosted Bal in the title game) if they were in a division w/ NE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    do you realize that most of your jokes are of the "I know you are but what am I" variety? That's one of the reasons you aren't funny even though you desperately try to be.
    No we actually find Vaark very funny and you're funny too but not in a good way!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 13ktownguy View Post
    No we actually find Vaark very funny and you're funny too but not in a good way!
    That's says more about you than me if you really think his amateur photoshops are funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    Either way the jets come out on top though, right?
    If you include the Jets wins against Indy and Cincy, they come out on top of Pitt by 1 game in 2009.

    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    so just as good in 2010 kind of meaning that we were on a similar level, right? which has been the point of this discussion. Thanks for clearing it up.
    They played common games, but the number of times they played certain teams is different. They each played their division opponents twice while playing the East/North just once. Meaning the Jets only had to play Pitt, Bal Cincy, Cle just once while playing NE, Mia, Buff twice. Pitt and Bal played Mia, NE, Jets, Buff, just once while playing their division opponents twice. Just becasue they have the same record, doesn't mean they were on the same level. The more important stat is head to head. The Jets are 0-1 against Bal, and 1-1 against Pitt, including the loss in the AFCC game, which is more important than the 5 point win the Jets had against them in the regular season.


    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    bal and Pitt are 2 very good teams in most years but they wouldn't be hosting any playoff games(unless they were a 5 seed and faced a 6 seed in the title game which almost happened for the Jets in '09, had bal beaten Indy the week before the Jets would have hosted Bal in the title game) if they were in a division w/ NE.
    Bal and Pitt have been much better than the Jets, Mia, or Buff have been in a long time. Either team would have ben able to challenge NE for a division title in at least 5 of the 12 years NE has won it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaark View Post
    The utter lack of self-awareness of some individuals widely considered to be azzclowns across several fan sites is both curious and mind-boggling.. Just sayin':
    AGAIN, the only times you are funny is when you are not trying to be. EVERYTHING you whine about me are character flaws YOU exhibit.

    Quote Originally Posted by The New Guy View Post
    If you include the Jets wins against Indy and Cincy, they come out on top of Pitt by 1 game in 2009.



    They played common games, but the number of times they played certain teams is different. They each played their division opponents twice while playing the East/North just once. Meaning the Jets only had to play Pitt, Bal Cincy, Cle just once while playing NE, Mia, Buff twice. Pitt and Bal played Mia, NE, Jets, Buff, just once while playing their division opponents twice. Just becasue they have the same record, doesn't mean they were on the same level. The more important stat is head to head. The Jets are 0-1 against Bal, and 1-1 against Pitt, including the loss in the AFCC game, which is more important than the 5 point win the Jets had against them in the regular season.




    Bal and Pitt have been much better than the Jets, Mia, or Buff have been in a long time. Either team would have ben able to challenge NE for a division title in at least 5 of the 12 years NE has won it.
    Pitt didn't play Indy in 2009 and if we remove Cincy then we need to remove Miami for Pitt in week 17.

    against reg season teams:
    (Cin, Oak, Mia, Ten)

    NYJ: 3-2
    Pitt: 2-3

    reg and postseason:
    (Cin, Oak, Mia, Ten, SD)

    NYJ: 5-2
    Pitt: 2-3

    NE in NFC North w/ Pitt or Bal: still win 4 games b/c they'd play Cin/Cle 4 times then would split w/ Bal or Pitt so that's 5-1 like they always seem to be in our division(or 6-0).

    The Jets had to go to Pitt b/c they couldn't beat out NE, if the '10 title game is at home the Jets beat pitt. Switch the Jets and Pitt in 2010 and the Jets go 12-4 and win the AFC North and host the title game IF another team beats NE in the div rd.

    Don't put us w/ Mia and Buf- 2 teams combining for ONE playoff app and ZERO playoff wins since 2002. We are just behind bal, Bal pulled away w/ this postseason but heading into it we were almost in a dead heat over the last decade.
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