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    whatever you say Corky.. not at all true as the collective memories of long standing members would confirm if you had the balls to submit to the results of a poll, but if it makes the lonely voices in your head keep from smoking, think (and i use that term loosely) whatever you want. How's that "I wouldnt trade Suckchez for 2 first round picks, Flacco or Ryan, etc" claim doing? Or did I "lie" about that too?? LOLOLOLOL

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    more of that vaark class.

    I really feel bad for you and those around you though to be fair I'm pretty sure you live alone and have no one in your life.
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    Ironic, cause Ive long held the suspicion that you are heavily medicated living in a group home with no weekend Internet privileges and any illusion of a "wife' involves an outcall service and a charge to your prepaid debit card occasionally recharged by a munificent elderly parent.


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    do you realize that most of your jokes are of the "I know you are but what am I" variety? That's one of the reasons you aren't funny even though you desperately try to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    NYJ & Pitt have made 2 of the loast 4 postseasons, NY is 4-2 in postseason, Pitt is 2-2.
    What is the point of comparing playoff wins? Isn't the point about advancing further? No one cares about playoff wins that result in nothing. In the last 4 years the Jets are tied with NO, NYG, and are only 1 game behind GB with playoff wins. Who cares? You know what all those teams have that the Jets don't?

    Take it one step down and it is the same thing with Pitt. Pitt has an AFC title, the Jets don't.

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    but we are discussing NE in the reg season, they are a great reg season team and make it near impossible for any team to win the division besides them. Only 1 team has won the AFC east besides NE in a year Brady was the primary starter and we did that in 2002.
    We are discussing how NE would fare if Pitt and Bal were in their division instead of the average Bills, Jets or Dolphins. We can't include playoff games? It has been near impossible for anyone else to win the AFCE because the rest of the AFCE has been average / bad for a decade. Since Brady took over, NE has won the division 12 out of 14 years. That is ridiculous! I agree that it would be difficult for most teams to compete for a division title if the division winner wins more than 12 games during the season.

    NE won the division with a higher total of 12 wins 5 times in 14 seasons. 2011 (13 wins) 2010 (14 wins) 2007 (16 wins), 2004 (14 wins) 2003 (14 wins). I agree that it would be tough for any team to compete for a division title during those seasons. However, we still have 7 other season when NE won 12 or less games. (9) (11) (10) (12) (11) (10) (12). The Jets won it in 02 winning 9 games, and the Dolphins won it in 2008 winning 11 games. There is no excuse during those other 5 seasons when NE won it winning 12 or less games other than the other teams in the AFCE were just not good enough.

    The AFC North winner won the division winning 12 or more games 6 times in the last 12 seasons. NE would still have their share of division titles, but I believe Pitt would have won it a few years and Bal would have won it a few years if they were in the AFCE instead of Buff, Mia, or the Jets. There is no excuse for the Jets (who you claim elite) to not have a single division title the last 4 years under Rex, especially when NE only won 10 games in 2009, and 12 this past year. Any elite team would have been able to compete for a title in either of those years.

    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    I took it back b/c they have barely played in the reg season the last 4 years, Brady has pretty much dominated Pitt.
    We were talking about the last 4 years because that is the time frame that you claim the Jets have been elite, yet they have 0 division titles while Bal and Pitt have 2 each. NE is 1-1 versus Pitt in the last 4 years, and if you want to go all the way back to 2004, they are still only 3-3 in the regular season. I don't consider a 3-3 record domination. Even if you want to include NE's playoff win and take away the Pitt in in 2008 (No Brady), the record is 4-2.

    It is hilarious when you consider that domination, but when it is the Dolphins who have a 4-2 record against the Jets (in their elite years), it is marginalized and just a 1 game difference. Classic Junc!


    Pitt and Bal both won 12 games 2 out of the last 4 seasons and they would have been able to compete against NE for division title. The Jets can not because they can't win 12 games during a season. They have only done it once in franchise history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The New Guy View Post
    What is the point of comparing playoff wins? Isn't the point about advancing further? No one cares about playoff wins that result in nothing. In the last 4 years the Jets are tied with NO, NYG, and are only 1 game behind GB with playoff wins. Who cares? You know what all those teams have that the Jets don't?

    Take it one step down and it is the same thing with Pitt. Pitt has an AFC title, the Jets don't.



    We are discussing how NE would fare if Pitt and Bal were in their division instead of the average Bills, Jets or Dolphins. We can't include playoff games? It has been near impossible for anyone else to win the AFCE because the rest of the AFCE has been average / bad for a decade. Since Brady took over, NE has won the division 12 out of 14 years. That is ridiculous! I agree that it would be difficult for most teams to compete for a division title if the division winner wins more than 12 games during the season.

    NE won the division with a higher total of 12 wins 5 times in 14 seasons. 2011 (13 wins) 2010 (14 wins) 2007 (16 wins), 2004 (14 wins) 2003 (14 wins). I agree that it would be tough for any team to compete for a division title during those seasons. However, we still have 7 other season when NE won 12 or less games. (9) (11) (10) (12) (11) (10) (12). The Jets won it in 02 winning 9 games, and the Dolphins won it in 2008 winning 11 games. There is no excuse during those other 5 seasons when NE won it winning 12 or less games other than the other teams in the AFCE were just not good enough.

    The AFC North winner won the division winning 12 or more games 6 times in the last 12 seasons. NE would still have their share of division titles, but I believe Pitt would have won it a few years and Bal would have won it a few years if they were in the AFCE instead of Buff, Mia, or the Jets. There is no excuse for the Jets (who you claim elite) to not have a single division title the last 4 years under Rex, especially when NE only won 10 games in 2009, and 12 this past year. Any elite team would have been able to compete for a title in either of those years.



    We were talking about the last 4 years because that is the time frame that you claim the Jets have been elite, yet they have 0 division titles while Bal and Pitt have 2 each. NE is 1-1 versus Pitt in the last 4 years, and if you want to go all the way back to 2004, they are still only 3-3 in the regular season. I don't consider a 3-3 record domination. Even if you want to include NE's playoff win and take away the Pitt in in 2008 (No Brady), the record is 4-2.

    It is hilarious when you consider that domination, but when it is the Dolphins who have a 4-2 record against the Jets (in their elite years), it is marginalized and just a 1 game difference. Classic Junc!


    Pitt and Bal both won 12 games 2 out of the last 4 seasons and they would have been able to compete against NE for division title. The Jets can not because they can't win 12 games during a season. They have only done it once in franchise history.
    what is the point? the goal is to win in january, right? who cares if you can win Sept-Dec if you can't win in january.

    Pitt does have an AFC title which is a check mark in their favor but they alos didn't win a playoff game the other 3 years and missed twice.


    how they would fare winning div titles meaning reg season wins. if they were in the North they'd be winning div titles, if they were in any other div they'd still be winning div titles. They are a great reg season team.


    3-3 including losing a game when Matt Cassell started. one one their other 2 wins came early in 2004 then NE smoked them at Pitt in the title game. NE has clearly been better than Pitt.


    Tom Brady against Pitt as a stater is 6-2 including playoffs, that's pretty much domination.

    Pitt, bal and the jets were all on a similar level in 2009 & 2010. pitt and Bal would not have won a div title in either year and the Jets could have won the AFC North in either year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    what is the point? the goal is to win in january, right? who cares if you can win Sept-Dec if you can't win in january.
    Who cares if you win in January if you are not playing in February?

    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    Pitt does have an AFC title which is a check mark in their favor but they alos didn't win a playoff game the other 3 years and missed twice.
    Pitt missed at 9-7 and 8-8 in between a Super Bowl app. The Jets made it at 9-7, and missed at 6-10 and 8-8 with no Super Bowl app. Pitt has been the better team over the last 4 years.


    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    how they would fare winning div titles meaning reg season wins. if they were in the North they'd be winning div titles, if they were in any other div they'd still be winning div titles. They are a great reg season team.
    NE would still have plenty of division titles, but Bal and Pitt would have a few of their own unlike the Jets, Dolphins or Bills.

    Didn't you just tell say "Who cares if you can win Sept-Dec if you can't win in january"? We are talking about how they would fair in the North playing Bal and Pitt head to head two times a year instead of the Jets, Mia, or the Bills. You want to take away 2 Bal wins over NE because they came in the playoffs? Division games are more important than regular season conference games. Playoff games are more important than both. If NE was in the AFC North, their division matchups would be more like those playoff matchups than the regular season conference games they played against each other.

    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    3-3 including losing a game when Matt Cassell started. one one their other 2 wins came early in 2004 then NE smoked them at Pitt in the title game. NE has clearly been better than Pitt.
    So now you want to include playoff games when NE beat Pitt (by 14 points) in Ben's rookie year, but you don't want to include playoff games when the Ravens beat NE (by 19 points) in 2009 and beat them in 2012 (by 15 points).

    The record is exactly what I said. NE is 1-1 versus Pitt in the last 4 years, and if you want to go all the way back to 2004, they are still only 3-3 in the regular season. I don't consider a 3-3 record domination. Even if you want to include NE's playoff win and take away the Pitt win in 2008 (No Brady), the record is 4-2.



    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    Tom Brady against Pitt as a stater is 6-2 including playoffs, that's pretty much domination.
    Now we are going all the way back to 2001 when Tommy Maddox and Kordell Stewart were playing QB for Pitt? You are giving Brady credit for a win in the 2001 playoff game where he led NE to 0 points before being knocked out of the game before half time? NE's special teams scored 14 points on a kick off return for a TD and a blocked FG return for TD. Bledsoe scored the other 10, but Brady gets the credit for the win.


    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    Pitt, bal and the jets were all on a similar level in 2009 & 2010. pitt and Bal would not have won a div title in either year and the Jets could have won the AFC North in either year.
    How are the Jets going to win the AFC North in 2009 when they couldn't win 9 games on their own? How are they going to win it in 2010 when they were 1-1 against Pitt that year, and 0-1 against Bal? How are they going to win the division when Pitt and Bal both won 12 games that year? The Jets have won 12 regular season games once in franchise history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The New Guy View Post
    Who cares if you win in January if you are not playing in February?



    Pitt missed at 9-7 and 8-8 in between a Super Bowl app. The Jets made it at 9-7, and missed at 6-10 and 8-8 with no Super Bowl app. Pitt has been the better team over the last 4 years.




    NE would still have plenty of division titles, but Bal and Pitt would have a few of their own unlike the Jets, Dolphins or Bills.

    Didn't you just tell say "Who cares if you can win Sept-Dec if you can't win in january"? We are talking about how they would fair in the North playing Bal and Pitt head to head two times a year instead of the Jets, Mia, or the Bills. You want to take away 2 Bal wins over NE because they came in the playoffs? Division games are more important than regular season conference games. Playoff games are more important than both. If NE was in the AFC North, their division matchups would be more like those playoff matchups than the regular season conference games they played against each other.



    So now you want to include playoff games when NE beat Pitt (by 14 points) in Ben's rookie year, but you don't want to include playoff games when the Ravens beat NE (by 19 points) in 2009 and beat them in 2012 (by 15 points).

    The record is exactly what I said. NE is 1-1 versus Pitt in the last 4 years, and if you want to go all the way back to 2004, they are still only 3-3 in the regular season. I don't consider a 3-3 record domination. Even if you want to include NE's playoff win and take away the Pitt win in 2008 (No Brady), the record is 4-2.





    Now we are going all the way back to 2001 when Tommy Maddox and Kordell Stewart were playing QB for Pitt? You are giving Brady credit for a win in the 2001 playoff game where he led NE to 0 points before being knocked out of the game before half time? NE's special teams scored 14 points on a kick off return for a TD and a blocked FG return for TD. Bledsoe scored the other 10, but Brady gets the credit for the win.




    How are the Jets going to win the AFC North in 2009 when they couldn't win 9 games on their own? How are they going to win it in 2010 when they were 1-1 against Pitt that year, and 0-1 against Bal? How are they going to win the division when Pitt and Bal both won 12 games that year? The Jets have won 12 regular season games once in franchise history.
    Some people feel that way, I don't.

    did they msis? It doen't matter if they missed at 13-3, they still missed.

    The Jets have the ONLY AFC East title in the Brady era(in a year he played the majority of snaps) but Bal and Pitt would be playing for 2nd place in this division.

    I am not taking anything away from bal beating them in the playoffs but those games don't count toward div titles. It's funny how we are bashed for finishing 2nd then whipping NE in the playoffs but yuo aren't applying the same logic here.


    Obviously you didn't watch the 2004 AFC Championship Game. 41-27 score, "only" won by 14 pts but that game was over in the 1st half. They led 24-3, 31-10 and 41-20. It was a thrashing at 15-1 Pittsburgh.

    I brougt up possteason b/c you scoffed when I said Brady has dominated Pitt.

    we both know they beat Pitt if Brady stays in the game, he left the game w/ a lead and just completed a 1st down on a 28 yd pass to the Pitt 40 which set up their only offensive TD of the game. W/o Brady NE wouldn't even have made the playoffs that year.

    The Jets were 2-0 against the 2009 AFC North champs, leading 27-0 at home in week 17 before Cincy pulled starters then beating Cincy by double digits on the road 6 days later. The same Cincy team that swept BOTH Pitt and Baltimore.

    In 2010 we went 3-1 agsinst the AFC North w/ the lone loss being a 1 pt loss to Bal.

    games against common opps 2009 & 2010 reg seasons:

    2009:
    (NE, Cin, Ind, Mia)

    NYJ: 3-3(50%)
    Bal/Pit: 1-6(14%)

    2010:
    (NE, Mia, Buf, Cle, Cin, pit, Bal, NYJ, Den, Hou)

    Bal/Pit: 16-6(72%)
    NYJ: 9-3(75%)
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post

    did they msis? It doen't matter if they missed at 13-3, they still missed.
    If I am trying to compare which team is better based on playoff apps, it matters a lot to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    The Jets have the ONLY AFC East title in the Brady era(in a year he played the majority of snaps) but Bal and Pitt would be playing for 2nd place in this division.
    Which happened to come in a year that the Pats were losers of 4 out of 5 at one point and finished 9-7. The Jets needed Miami to lose the final two games of that season to win the division at 9-7. The Jets didn't win it because they were a great team. They won it because NE struggled and Miami choked. Like I said before, NE would still have their share of division titles if they were in the North, but Pitt or Bal would have competed the 5 times that NE won the East winning 11 games or less, or the 7 times they won it winning 12 or less.


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    I am not taking anything away from bal beating them in the playoffs but those games don't count toward div titles. It's funny how we are bashed for finishing 2nd then whipping NE in the playoffs but yuo aren't applying the same logic here.
    They count for a head to head comparison just like the regular season head to head games do. Bal and Pitt have won 12 or more games 50% of the time in the last 4 seasons.

    I'm not using 1 playoff game and claiming Bal is better. I'm just using all of their head to head games and regular season records to compare how they would do against each other if they were in a division together. I'll count the Jets win in the playoffs. NE is still 6-3 against the Jets in the last 4 years. Compare that to the 2-3 record NE has against Bal and Pitt the last 4 years. NE has blown out the Jets several times, and the Jets largest margin of victory over NE is a 14 point win in 2009. NE has never blown out Bal in the last 4 years and Bal beat NE by 19 in 2009 and by 15 in 2012. The Jets have one close loss to NE. Bal has lost 3 close games to NE by 6 or less points.

    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    Obviously you didn't watch the 2004 AFC Championship Game. 41-27 score, "only" won by 14 pts but that game was over in the 1st half. They led 24-3, 31-10 and 41-20. It was a thrashing at 15-1 Pittsburgh.
    I thought playoff wins didn't win a division? Pitt was 15-1 that year and beat NE in the regular season. How would it have been possible for NE to win the North that year?

    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    I brougt up possteason b/c you scoffed when I said Brady has dominated Pitt.
    I actually brought up the post season games, and included it the 4-2 record Brady has against Pitt in the Big Ben era. I scoffed at you calling that domination when you have consistently marginalized that same 4-2 record the Dolphins have over the Jets in their elite years.

    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    we both know they beat Pitt if Brady stays in the game, he left the game w/ a lead and just completed a 1st down on a 28 yd pass to the Pitt 40 which set up their only offensive TD of the game. W/o Brady NE wouldn't even have made the playoffs that year.
    Scott Zolak could have won that game had he been the starter. The STs and D won that game, not Brady. It ridiculous to give him credit for that win.

    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    The Jets were 2-0 against the 2009 AFC North champs, leading 27-0 at home in week 17 before Cincy pulled starters then beating Cincy by double digits on the road 6 days later. The same Cincy team that swept BOTH Pitt and Baltimore.
    And still had trouble winning 9 games on their own.


    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    In 2010 we went 3-1 agsinst the AFC North w/ the lone loss being a 1 pt loss to Bal.
    Even if you include the win against 4-12 Cincy, the Jets are only 2-1 in the regular season against the AFC North. 2-2 if you count the AFCCG loss to Pitt. How is a 2-1 regular season record against the North going to help the Jets win the division that year when both Bal and Pitt still won more games than the Jets?


    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    games against common opps 2009 & 2010 reg seasons:

    2009:
    (NE, Cin, Ind, Mia)

    NYJ: 3-3(50%)
    Bal/Pit: 1-6(14%)

    2010:
    (NE, Mia, Buf, Cle, Cin, pit, Bal, NYJ, Den, Hou)

    Bal/Pit: 16-6(72%)
    NYJ: 9-3(75%)
    The common games for Pitt and the Jets in 2009 were:
    (Titans, Bengals, Raiders, Dolphins)

    3-2 for Jets. Though it is hardly fair to count the game in which Cincy had no desire to win.
    2-3 for Pitt.

    The common regular season games the Ravens and Jets had in 2009 were:
    (NE, Oak, Indy, Cincy)

    4-1 for the Jets. Again, hardly fair to count the Indy game and Cincy game.
    1-4 for Bal.

    Bal and Pitt won 9 games with no gimmes in 2009.

    Common regular season games for Bal and the Jets in 2010 were
    (Jets/Ravens, Bengals, Browns. Pitt, Hou NE, Buff, Mia)

    8-3 for Jets.
    8-3 for Ravens.

    Common regular season games for Pitt and the Jets in 2010 were:

    (Pitt/Jets Bal, Cle, Mia, Buff, Cincy, NE)

    7-3 for the Jets
    7-3 for Pitt

    Ravens and Pitt both won 12 regular season games that year, and the Jets won 11. Pitt made the Super Bowl by beating the Jets.



    Common regular season games for Pitt and the Jets in 2011 were:
    (Bal, Jax, NE)

    1-4 for the Jets
    2-2 for Pitt

    Common regular season games for Bal and the Jets in 2011 were:
    (Bal/Jets, Jags)

    2-0 for Bal
    1-2 for the Jets

    The Ravens and Pitt both won 12 games again while the Jets won 8. Bal goes to AFCC game.


    Common regular season games for Bal and the Jets in 2012 were:
    (Pitt, NE, Hou, SD)
    3-2 for Bal
    1-4 for Jets


    Common regular season games for Pitt and the Jets in 2012 were:
    (Pitt/Jets Tenn, SD)
    1-2 for Pitt
    0-3 for the Jets.

    Jets miss the playoff again at 6-10 while Bal goes to the Super Bowl.

    What was the point of this whole thing again? Are we trying to compare the Jets to Bal and Pitt? I can make that a lot easier for both of us.

    Pitt 1 division title, and 1 Super Bowl app in the last 4 years.
    Bal 2 division titles and 1 Super Bowl app in the last 4 years.
    Jets 0 division titles and 0 Super apps in the last 4 years.
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