“I’m somewhat disappointed that more African Americans don’t think for themselves and just go with whatever they’re supposed to say and think."
- Dr. Benjamin Carson
See what I did there?
I actually agree that such a ban wouldn't be as effective as people might believe, but what drives me up a wall is when I see all these self-proclaimed conservatives like O'Reilly double-talking & giving all these reasons as to why we should take responsibility for human action, not blame inanimate objects; guns don't kill people, people kill people; you can't just ignore the reality of the demand, people will find ways to supply it; etc, etc. But when you ask if that reasoning applies to the drug-war, then it's all, "..hmm, well... I don't like drugs.. that idea makes me uncomfortable... sooooooo no, this logic only applies to things that I happen to like". At the very least be ideologically consistent.
It's maddening flagrant hypocrisy. I've said this before & I'll say it again; anyone who's anti-gun control & pro-drug war at the same time is either a hypocrite or not very bright.
I don't think the drug war and gun control issues are really all that similar, to be honest. The negative aspects of drugs usually only affect the user themselves (and their friends and family, perhaps). The fact that some drugs are addictive also makes for inflexible demand, which a limiting of supply can't affect.
Guns on the other hand are more likely to have negative effects on lots of people, not just the user. And they're not addictive, which means demand is more malleable. Sure, some people will go scrambling to a black market to buy guns if they're banned, but not nearly in the same numbers as drug users who use the black market to buy drugs they're addicted to or just want to use.
I mean, I get what you're saying. But the principle you're talking about is really only applicable at the macro level. The comparison breaks down in the details.
I'm not saying the demand is the same, but I do believe there's a big enough demand for both of them that a prohibition isn't really a justifiably realistic solution.
Yes, guns have the greater potential to affect others than drugs, but if what we're talking about is limiting availability, I've already made my case in other threads as to why I believe a prohibition for either of those things doesn't accomplish that.
I don't care - but they're probably illegal for various reasons, the most obvious being the same reason you're not allowed to drive while under the influence. Many harder drugs affect your perception/behavior and make you more likely to harm someone else or yourself. Habitual drug use creates health problems that are very expensive, and many addicts, unable to keep a job or save any money, don't have the means to pay for the treatment or hospitalization so society incurs those costs.
If we could create a way to keep users away from others while under the influence then perhaps drugs shouldn't be illegal. Users could check into a facility and be required to stay there until sober. They'd have to sign a waiver to any health coverage above what they can personally afford. If someone drinks until he needs a liver transplant then he needs to pay for that out of his own pocket.
If the drugs were free and absolutely unlimited in these facilities then many of the problems associated with habitual drug use might take care of themselves.
I think making drugs lethal would solve more problems than making drugs legal, but that being said ... if "you" take drugs, earn the money you use to purchase them legally, stay out of society while on drugs that might make you a threat to others, and have your own means to cover health issues related to your drug use, then I don't have a problem your drug use.
You aren't following history very much if you think Benjamin Franklin or Thomas Jefferson were conservative.
Semi-auto rifles account for less than 3% of all gun crimes. So tell me a better plan to stop gun violence. Because this one sucks a**.
"Politics is the Art of Looking for Trouble, Finding it Everywhere, Diagnosing it Incorrectly, and Applying the Wrong Remedies"
If were banning drugs, how about the ones the shooters used?
Anyone interested in that?
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life