"Politics is the Art of Looking for Trouble, Finding it Everywhere, Diagnosing it Incorrectly, and Applying the Wrong Remedies"
I was actually just talking to a friend of mine the other day (unrelated to the gun issue) and we both came to the conclusion that if you had to pick a country on this planet that was more like the United States than any other... we'd both pick Australia. In other words, we'd pick them over England or Canada. It's the same kind of mix of a former English colony, with a population densely populated in the cities but with also a large rural sort of "cowboy" tradition and a mix of the rowdy, informal, individualistic attitude. There's even a similar history of repressing a native population (who in their case is also black).
(Yes, my friends and I sometimes discuss really boring ****. )
The main difference for now is that the shootings that happened over there genuinely changed public perception of the gun issue. When they decided to tackle the problem with the buyback, the population was in support. Despite recent events, I don't see the same thing here. Perhaps it will take a few more of these. Or maybe as a nation we just have a different perception of how much the freedom is worth.
Not that it really matters anyway, since you believe that doing an initiative like theirs here would increase gun violence. There's not really much common ground there to build on in a debate.
As a side note, I want you to know I have to scroll down a bit to type out a response to your posts because that gif with the bouncing titties is so goddamn distracting I can't think while they're up there jiggling.
How have assault rifles and high capacity clips been regulated "enough"? Explosives are, absolutely, the crime rate using such items is hideously low. Why? Because such items are banned and those that can legally use such equipment are subject to heavy regulations. Part of Obama's "police state manifesto" was aimed at strengthing the fairly weak background checks, something many are fighting tooth and nail against.
Again, how come its suddenly "against your rights" to ban assault rifles when we already ban weaponry? You do not have the right to buy weapons that are to dangerous, to yourself and others. I have yet to see how adding a single classification to a list that already exists is suddenly persecution.
You can still arm yourself. You can still protect yourself and your property. You can still hunt or participate in sporting events. Your rights have not been violated. You just cant buy a type of weapon you used to be able to. Just like you cannot buy a whole laundry list of other weapons. You do not live in a free country, you cannot do anything you want anytime you want. You are bound by laws. The Constitution literally means Law of the land. Again, adding a provision to an existing law isnt persecution.
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The problem with your interpretation of the 2nd amendment is that it doesn't jive with what has been the law of the land forcenturies now. Americans have ALWAYS had the right to bear arms. Granted there has been plenty of regulations from us having weapons like explosives and automatics. But semi-autos have ALWAYS been available for us to own and purchase. You don't think it's a big deal because you probably don't own guns and never really got into your 2nd amendment rights. (forgive me I'm being a bit sterotypical here). But for millions of us it really is a BIG deal. Especially considering the fact that the 2nd amendment has probably been the most regulated and controlled amendment ever. When you consider that the founders were VERY liberal with weapons and arms back then. People owned cannons back then and it wasn't a big deal. So if anything it's been regulated enough and at a certain point we have to draw a line in the sand. Especially when the Anti 2nd-amendment crowd really wants to "regulate" the 2nd into extinction. The bills in New York and Mass. prove that point.
From what I gathered you support Americans only having revolvers and the like. Maybe if it was 150 years ago I would feel you on that one. But nowadays there are far better weapons than that and unfortunately the criminals have far better weapons than those days. No matter if you like it or not semi-auto handguns and rifles are the best defense against all potentially armed criminals today. Making a new provision mandating that law-abiding, 2nd amendment exercising citizens can no longer own semi-autos will only make it harder for those lawful citizens to defend themselves. Especially with 10 bullet clips. You better be a damn good shot in a high pressure situation that's for sure.
Bottom line I don't trust this government with this power and neither did the founders. A government that wages war without constitutional requirements. That drops drone bombs on people and countries that had nothing to do with 9-11. Even bombing women, children and Americans too. Passes laws like the Patriot Act and NDAA that have no regard for 4th amendment and 5th amendment natural rights. A government that spys and searches people without warrants. A government that will assassinate Americans without trial. A government that tortures. A government controlled by banks and the military industrial complex.
And this beauty.......
A government that defends DEA agents putting a gun to a little girl's head....
Don't trust this gang with this power.
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