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Thread: WR and TE who is the best solution IYO and Why ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy685 View Post
    I 100% support your suggest of Sebastian V. He'd anchor that RT side.
    Agreed. It would be quite a coup if we could pull it off for a reasonable price.
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    FA: (Jenning)
    Drft TE: (Tyler Eifert) 1st round
    Drft WR: (Robert Woods) #2 2nd round
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    I'm torn between Wallace and Jennings. Jennings is older but more polished than Wallace bur Wallace is young and fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kdawg954 View Post
    If you sign Mike Wallace, you instantly have a "gameplan" WR. Your deep threat.

    You could then draft Robert Woods with the 2a pick, who essentially could become a Greg Jennings clone. Then you draft STedman Bailey with the 2b pick who will be your future slot WR/Steve Smith when you let Bess walk after the season. Then you still have Bess and Matthews to round out your group for 2013.

    Then you sign Jared Cook who becomes your seam threat/goal line target. I'd also resign Fasano to a fair deal to give yourself a solid 1 - 2 punch at TE.
    there's nothing wrong with going that route either...bailey and woods would be sweet if we pulled that off...and i'm definitely down with what mike wallace offers...and cook works for me also
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    After watching some videos of Corderrelle Patterson, I really am starting to want the guy.

    Resign Hartline, sign Jennings. Resign Fasano reasonably and pick up either Finley/Cook/Keller, in that order imo.

    Even if we didn't resign Hartline and trouted Patterson, Jennings, Bess, and Matthews, I wouldn't be mad

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    Re: WR and TE who is the best solution IYO and Why ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis34 View Post
    After watching some videos of Corderrelle Patterson, I really am starting to want the guy.

    Resign Hartline, sign Jennings. Resign Fasano reasonably and pick up either Finley/Cook/Keller, in that order imo.

    Even if we didn't resign Hartline and trouted Patterson, Jennings, Bess, and Matthews, I wouldn't be mad
    His YAC running really is a joy to watch isnt it. Jennings and Patterson.... Wow but its probably one or the other.
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    one word of caution about vollmer...he's had significant issues with his back thru the years,...missed a lot of time as a result...could be a risky signing for the money he would command
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    Get Jennings, Wallace, or Bowe in FA (Bowe and Jennings might be odds on favs because Bowe wants to play here and Jennings Philbin connection.)

    Draft Tyler Eifert. If anyone is noticing, both Ertz and he are climbing boards. Thats a sign scouts are warming to the idea of these guys playing integral part of their offense. Forget what people say about TE not being fixed this year or picking up other TE's from other teams. Too expensive and the rookies will match their production. Trade down a few spots and pick up another 2 0r 3. You cant go wrong.

    I like Patterson, Woods, Patton, and Hopkins but think Bailey would be a stud football player and Swope would fit like a glove. Everytime I look at him I see Wes Welker quickness.

    I would be absolutely stoked if Bailey and Swope were drafted. I think you could get away with not signing Hartline in this scenario even though he should be.

    WR: Bowe;Jennings, Bailey, Swope, Bess, Matthews is nice! Throw in Hartline and you have a full deck for the future and you can trade Bess for a pick next year.
    TE: Fasano, Eifert (two decent blocking TE's who help in GL situations and who create mismatches week in and week out by teams focusing on one while the other shines. This is how Belicheck/Brady work.
    H-back: Clay with Fasano filling in when injured.

    How anyone can deny TE position in this draft with all these early picks is beyond me. WR is deep and we have the rescources for FA WR. This by far is recipe for success. If you can trade down for Eifert a couple spots you have big ammo. Eifert will simply play day one with no problems. A WR in this draft you cannot say that as a rookie. Philbin is a TE guy. We need TE's bad and I just dont see us going balls to FA and wouldnt be surprised if we dont get any big name FA WR. If that happens, dont be surprised if we draft 3. One in the 7th round.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy685 View Post
    Yeah wow. I clearly was at the office too long today. I read "quickness or hands" as "quickness of hands"

    I apologize.

    As for the rest of your post - I have to say first, please stop using extrinsic hive mind stuff to back up your points. It's a ****ty way of debate. I have no idea what you've posted in the past, and there is certainly no "consensus" that can be taken with authority.

    Wallace is more physical than Jennings. There's shades of gray here, not just black and white. You're exaggerating the sides of the spectrums to make your point. Wallace is the $300,000 Ferrari? I guess that makes Jennings the... 2 year older $210,000 Ferrari? Im seeing a WR who will command 8 million a year (speculation) versus a guy who will realistically get 12 million a year. 4 million a year difference.

    What are you saving that money for, exactly? We certainly have the space. Are we not re-signing Hartline if we grab Jennings and this 1st round receiver you want us to get? Personally, Im a big Patterson fan. I really am. But thats the #12 pick in the draft. Big cost, just not in terms of $!
    This is exhausting ... I've already replied to this post and I need to go back and reply again because you add new stuff to your posts. I'm trying to reply to your points and make everything clear, but dang ... please just post a new post if you are going to double the post size with your edits.

    I never said "quickness of hands." I have explained how he uses quickness and to make separation on back shoulder throws and denies the CB the chance to break up the pass.

    Hive mind? OK, whatever ... you post in the same threads, forgive me for being exhasperated for needing to repeatedly re-explain it. But, I've stated it numerous times, now you know in this thread. Cool?

    Yes, the Ferrari is a reductio ad absurdum, agreed, it's a device used to illustrate a point at the extremes. The incomplete point you keep making is that you would prefer Wallace ... the point I was making is that he will be more expensive. You ask me "What are you saving that money for, exactly?" and I've already explained. I suggested Levitre or Vollmer as other potential FA targets, and said how using the money we have, some of which is saved from obtaining Jennings rather than Wallace potentially, I would like to add Levitre or Vollmer. I speculate that we might be able to get Jennings + Levitre, whereas I speculate that I don't think we will be able to fit Wallace + Levitre under our salary cap after we re-sign our current free agents.

    You even posted after that "I 100% support your suggest of Sebastian V. He'd anchor that RT side." So I kinda thought we understood one another at that point. Hopefully, we can understand one another, because I'm not so sure we have a huge disagreement, but simply a difference of opinion on evaluations.

    I'm glad you also like Patterson. I also agree with your inference that he is a risk and that needs to be weighed too, because upside is often unreached. Towards the end of the college season (October/November) I was hoping we would be able to snag him in the 2nd round because he is so raw and unpolished. But it seems that the talent on display is too enticing and if we want him, we are going to have to get him in the 1st round, and if we try to trade back deeper into the 1st we may well lose out on him entirely.

    There are a lot of good prospects at WR this year, and that's very fortunate for us because talent will be available at both of our 2nd rounders. So we don't need to risk a 1st on anyone. But then again, this draft is very weak at the top IMHO, and the guys with the most physical ability who I expected to dominate this draft, really haven't produced like I would have expected. Like Jimmy Johnson, I prefer the players with potential for greatness, but if they haven't been productive enough in college, I tend to shy away. Guys like Mingo, Montgomery and Jordan have incredible physical pass rush ability ... but their physical ability was in the men-among-boys category so I expected them to dominate their competition. IMHO, they did not. I'd be very scared drafting and underproductive talent on physical ability, and for that reason I view the pass rushers available to us as very risky picks too. Guys like Ezekiel Ansah and Margus Hunt are unbelievably raw and underproductive. Tank Carradine's injury recovery scares the heck out of me too. I've come to the conclusion that either we take a risk on raw ability player (pass rush or receiving), or we settle for a less ability but a solid pck. Personally, I'd prefer to take the risk on ability, but I prefer to find a player who is trending upwards and has shown production. I think Patterson is as good as those pass rushers looking at it this way.
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    Jennings. Draft Tevon austin from West virgina. You can then let Reggie Bush go if he wants too much money.

    Draft a TE: Ertz or Reed.
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