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    Quote Originally Posted by Nublar7 View Post
    The Dolphins can always go the draft route to find receivers. Now, that isn't the ideal route to satisfy the fans but it could be used as a leverage in contract negotiations. It is a chess match and the Dolphins are playing it perfectly right now. No need to show your plans in January. You say you want to build through the draft, yet leave all options on the table without tipping your hand. That is how you play the game at this point in the offseason.

    Buddy Nix for the Bills has been going public since December that the Bills will draft a quarterback. Big mistake, now everyone knows for sure what the plan is and you could see a lot of draft day movement to try and swoop in and steal QB prospects from the Bills. The Dolphins played it perfectly last draft when they downplayed Tannehill leading up to the draft. As Ireland revealed after the draft, he had been scouting Tannehill for years and fell in love with him as a prospect years prior to the draft. Yet Ireland went out in front of the public and said they wouldn't be taking a quarterback just to take one. They also trotted Sherman out in front of the media and he downplayed the team's interest. Brilliant.

    Any public statements from any Dolphins member whether it is Ross, Philbin, Ireland, Gaine, Sherman, etc. should be take with a grain of salt. It is also smoke screens and misinformation. Remember prior to the 2008 draft when Ireland said that the first round pick would be a pillar of the defense for years to come? Brilliantly played.

    How is saying the first round oick would be a pillar of the defense for years a brilliantly played smokescreen. What did we gain, we had the first pick. A smokescreen should actually be used to gain something like making people think we are gonna take another position to gain something. Smokescreens are so overrated because in reality it gains u little. There are teams that can pay these receivers and us acting like we might draft a receiver will not affect their price at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nublar7 View Post
    Buddy Nix for the Bills has been going public since December that the Bills will draft a quarterback. Big mistake, now everyone knows for sure what the plan is and you could see a lot of draft day movement to try and swoop in and steal QB prospects from the Bills.
    Yes, that's true that it is bad from a strategic standpoint for the Bills franchise. But don't you think Nix has been doing that to save his own job and signal intent to a grumbling Buffalo fan base? I definitely think that it was in discussion whether they were going to fire the coach and staff or whether they were going to fire Nix too and let his replacement choose the new coach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nublar7 View Post
    The Dolphins can always go the draft route to find receivers.
    Kind of hard to do that with Ireland doing the picking. In our first three picks he'll take a run-stopping DT to play opposite of Wake at DE and two corn-fed offensive linemen with no mobility. His third round picks will be another TE who can't even get activated for games on Sunday and another QB to run the wildcat. We all know what his fourth round wide receivers look like. He'll find more bad wide receivers.

    This front office misdirection stuff is a bunch of crap. The entire league knows we need wide receivers and that Ireland has five years history in showing no ability to get them from the draft. We might as well tell the world our only goal in free agency is signing wide receivers. That would really be misdirection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlockz View Post
    How is saying the first round oick would be a pillar of the defense for years a brilliantly played smokescreen. What did we gain, we had the first pick. A smokescreen should actually be used to gain something like making people think we are gonna take another position to gain something. Smokescreens are so overrated because in reality it gains u little. There are teams that can pay these receivers and us acting like we might draft a receiver will not affect their price at all.
    The Dolphins were considering trading the 1st overall pick that year. Suddenly if it looks like Miami is taking Chris Long, maybe the Rams swap picks and throw in a 2nd round pick. They got no bites, but they played the game instead of just sitting there and saying exactly what they were going to do.

    What benefit does it have to be 100% truthful of what your plans are? Tipping your hand to what you are doing is not how the NFL works. You never want to look desperate about adding a specific position. Everyone knew the Dolphins needed a quarterback last year, yet they didn't go about it desperately. They could have easily threw tons of money at Flynn, who they viewed more as starter competition than a flat out starter. They didn't act desperate with Flynn and they ended up with a much better answer at quarterback with Tannehill. Now Flynn rots on the bench making a hefty $6.5 million a year.

    I am not saying the Dolphins should avoid Jennings, Wallace and Bowe, or even saying that they will. Personally I think they will make a run at Jennings and I think they will get him. However, what is the point in January to say that is what the plan is? What is the benefit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by z926538 View Post
    Kind of hard to do that with Ireland doing the picking. In our first three picks he'll take a run-stopping DT to play opposite of Wake at DE and two corn-fed offensive linemen with no mobility. His third round picks will be another TE who can't even get activated for games on Sunday and another QB to run the wildcat. We all know what his fourth round wide receivers look like. He'll find more bad wide receivers.

    This front office misdirection stuff is a bunch of crap. The entire league knows we need wide receivers and that Ireland has five years history in showing no ability to get them from the draft. We might as well tell the world our only goal in free agency is signing wide receivers. That would really be misdirection.
    Agreed, after all these drafts he's been apart of, the best wr he's drafted has been Brian hartline.

    Heck, how many WRs did we cut that Ireland brought in last season alone? 6-7 or something? Maybe more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nublar7 View Post
    The Dolphins were considering trading the 1st overall pick that year. Suddenly if it looks like Miami is taking Chris Long, maybe the Rams swap picks and throw in a 2nd round pick. They got no bites, but they played the game instead of just sitting there and saying exactly what they were going to do.

    What benefit does it have to be 100% truthful of what your plans are? Tipping your hand to what you are doing is not how the NFL works. You never want to look desperate about adding a specific position. Everyone knew the Dolphins needed a quarterback last year, yet they didn't go about it desperately. They could have easily threw tons of money at Flynn, who they viewed more as starter competition than a flat out starter. They didn't act desperate with Flynn and they ended up with a much better answer at quarterback with Tannehill. Now Flynn rots on the bench making a hefty $6.5 million a year.

    I am not saying the Dolphins should avoid Jennings, Wallace and Bowe, or even saying that they will. Personally I think they will make a run at Jennings and I think they will get him. However, what is the point in January to say that is what the plan is? What is the benefit?
    Just saying teams are not stupid they know our weakness. The smokescreen would have been brilliantly played if ST Louis had traded us for the pick. We have no clue how much anyone believed them. I never thought for one minute we were taking Chris Long and I'm not even a NFL gm. Nothing was more obvious last year that we needed a qb even with Moore playing solid.
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    Barry Jackson asks Steve Ross about free agent receivers...

    Quote Originally Posted by Digital View Post
    Yes, that's true that it is bad from a strategic standpoint for the Bills franchise. But don't you think Nix has been doing that to save his own job and signal intent to a grumbling Buffalo fan base? I definitely think that it was in discussion whether they were going to fire the coach and staff or whether they were going to fire Nix too and let his replacement choose the new coach.
    Yeah, that's exactly what he was doing. And he'll eventually be fired when the Bills suck again next year. When you aim to please the fans, you end up sitting with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlockz View Post
    Just saying teams are not stupid they know our weakness. The smokescreen would have been brilliantly played if ST Louis had traded us for the pick. We have no clue how much anyone believed them. I never thought for one minute we were taking Chris Long and I'm not even a NFL gm. Nothing was more obvious last year that we needed a qb even with Moore playing solid.
    With a drafts smoke screen it really only takes one team to believe it or at least be concerned about it to make a move. The Vikings did it to the Dolphins in 2004. Vikings did it to the Browns just this past draft.

    The part that is being played brilliantly right now by Ross and the Dolphins is that they are keeping their plans close to their vest. They are not putting the plan out there for the entire NFL to see or have time to plan a way to take advantage of it. Teams know the Bills plan to draft a quarterback and now teams have months to plan a strategy against them. It is why I think it is funny that Armando took offense to Ross' answer of "win" to the question "what is the plan this year". Of course Ross is not going to give you a detailed description of what the team plans to do in March and April. Same goes for Barry Jackson, Ross isn't going to put the plan on a silver platter at this point. Ross is saying the team wants to build through the draft but the resources are available if Ireland wants to be active in free agency. That really doesn't shed the light on what exactly the plan is, it just leaves all the options on the table. He didn't paint Ireland or Philbin into a corner. Brilliant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital View Post
    Yes, that's true that it is bad from a strategic standpoint for the Bills franchise. But don't you think Nix has been doing that to save his own job and signal intent to a grumbling Buffalo fan base? I definitely think that it was in discussion whether they were going to fire the coach and staff or whether they were going to fire Nix too and let his replacement choose the new coach.
    Ireland is on the hot seat this year just like Nix, yet he is not going public saying they are going to throw big money at the free agent receivers. Nix is an example of a bad way to play the deception game.
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