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Thread: Mando: Ireland going "all in" this offseason, good read!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DefensiveEnd76 View Post
    As a GM you need more hits then misses and Ireland obviously has had more misses.
    find me 2 current GM's who have more hits then misses and please provide us with said hits vs misses...
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    Quote Originally Posted by registeredguy View Post
    There were options other than Curtis Painter, available on their own roster, that were clearly better (and did result in the Colts winning games when they were finally used).

    But of course, the Irsay family would NEVER oversee a team that would go out and full on tank the year that there is a great #1 overall QB prospect coming out, right? I mean, Elway, Manning, Luck, no coincidence there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by registeredguy View Post
    There were options other than Curtis Painter, available on their own roster, that were clearly better (and did result in the Colts winning games when they were finally used).

    But of course, the Irsay family would NEVER oversee a team that would go out and full on tank the year that there is a great #1 overall QB prospect coming out, right? I mean, Elway, Manning, Luck, no coincidence there?

    Which "better" option are you referring to? Dan Orlovsky? The same Dan Orlovsky that helped the Lions go 0-16 in 2008 and is back to where he should be...the bench in T.B. Or maybe the 38 year old Kerry Collins that the Colts gave 4 million to, to come out of retirement and hold the fort down until Manning came back early in the season like they originally thought was going to happen. Collins started until he got a concussion that landed him on the IR . That's when Painter took over. Painter also had the support of their second best player who openly expressed that even when Collins was starting. Guess Reggie Wayne didn't get the "we're tanking the season to get rid of Manning memo". So who was the better option? There's no correct answer. They're all terrible. Point is is tha team was built around Manning and once he was done, they were done.

    And are you also trying to say that the Irsay's tanked other seasons as well to get the top pick? You do realize the Colts were horrible in the late 70's and early 80's right? They hadn't had a winning record since 77, and in 81 went 2-14 and 0-8-1 in the strike shortened 82 season. They would have been on a 6 year plan to ultimately end up with Elway just so they could trade him away. So that debunks that

    You need to do some research and back them up with something if you're going to make these types of claims
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    Quote Originally Posted by J Tes View Post
    I love that there are people that actually think the the Colts purposely lost last year. Losing one of the best QB's of the past 25 years right before the season with no real backup to speak of i'm sure had nothing to do with it. I'm sure the players playing for contracts were totally willing to sacrifice future earning by dropping passes, missing blocks, fumbling etc. I'm sure Jim Caldwell couldn't wait to take one for the team and get fired and put that on his resume. Makes sense
    Well, they kept starting Curtis Painter at QB when everyone could see that Dan Orlovsky gave them a better shot at winning. Also, the Colts have just happened to have the first overall pick the years that John Elway, Jeff George, Peyton Manning, and Andrew Luck came out. The four highest rated QB prospects ever. I'm sure that was all just a coincidence. I'm not saying that they started out with the intention of tanking the season, but once they lost four of five games it seems like they packed it in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildbill3 View Post
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    Exactly. Whether it happened or not, Jeff George was considered a can't miss prospect as well at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phinatic1399 View Post
    This is:
    Ireland seemed to acknowledge for the first time that he better do extraordinary things that improve the Dolphins in extraordinary ways this offseason because the mircoscope is on him.
    "I think this is the year you've got to do something," Ireland said at one point. "We look forward to making some big news before too long."
    "This is a big offseason for us. We understand that," he said later.
    He said he's going to be looking for playmakers on offense this year and that the draft, free agency and trades are on the table. He said the Dolphins would explore "revery single opportunity and avenue" for getting better.
    So Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland is seemingly all in this offseason.
    It's good that Ireland will apparently adopt that approach because I've complained the Dolphins have been all too passive and, in some cases, inactive the past two offseasons when it came to free agency and trades and alike.
    But I believe the reason Ireland may take this new route this offseason has to do on some level with his own status. Ireland admitted he is a "polarizing" figure in South Florida. That's his way of acknowledging that fans hate dislike him.
    But Ireland has had the favor of Stephen Ross despite the negative public sentiment because he's been able to convince the Dolphins owner that the franchise is headed in the right direction and has been making wise, long-lasting personnel choices. I suppose to some degree, Ireland has also made the case that he wasn't in charge under Bill Parcells although he's been the general manager since 2008.
    But that argument can be made for only so long. And that window is now closed.
    It says here Ireland has to emerge from this offseason a winner by making the Dolphins a winner. His moves have to significantly improve the team because A.) He's got so many draft picks and so much salary cap space at his disposal and B.) The argument that building a team takes time and he wasn't responsible for what happened in 2008 and 2009 and 2010 fades considering he was undeniably responsible for all the personnel decisions of 2011, 2012 and this offseason.
    Ireland knows (or should know) that if we're sitting here a year from now, in January of 2014, discussing how far the Dolphins continue to be from being a winner, the responsibility for that gap still existing will fall squarely on him and no one else.
    It won't be on Joe Philbin, whom the owner respects.
    It won't be on assistant coaches, whom Philbin respects.
    It won't be on circumstances, because that excuse was exhausted during the Parcells departure and Tony Sparano firing.
    It'll be on Ireland, folks.
    The bullseye is on him.
    And Ireland knows it and is accepting that.
    That is why I think Ireland will be aggressive this offseason. That is why I think he will spend money. That is why I think he will consider trades he might not have considered in past years.
    The man needs to hit a home run. And to do that, you have to actually take some big swings.
    Did he not say this last year?
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    He sucks. He can't build a winner. He talks like a loser. Shouldn't you approach every season "all in"? The Parcells was in charge excuse is pathetic. What did Jeff do all day? Since he's been on his own he's made 3 bad trades - Marshall (both times) and Davis. Anyone trust him to make any more blockbuster moves? The guy was a ballboy before he was a kicker - enough said.
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