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    Oh okay so Ireland is responsible for all the negative and none of the positive okay thanks. Certainly there was NO variable of

    1) a coaching staff that was atrocious, and has been atrocious every single place they've gone. Sparano was a disaster in New York but CLEARLY HAD IRELAND DRAFTED BETTER THIS WOULDNT HAVE MATTERED
    2) the fact that we had two GMs at one point doing one job. Oh I know, let's take your word for it and ignore the fact that even Parcells himself said he controlled X drafts. Give me a break.

    Just because I dont have this seething blind hatred of Ireland and actually understand that success is an intricate balance of coaching, drafting, player development and scheme I'm being labeled an Ireland homer by some 45 year old mouth breathers.

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    Oh okay so Ireland is responsible for all the negative and none of the positive okay thanks. Certainly there was NO variable of

    1) a coaching staff that was atrocious, and has been atrocious every single place they've gone. Sparano was a disaster in New York but CLEARLY HAD IRELAND DRAFTED BETTER THIS WOULDNT HAVE MATTERED
    2) the fact that we had two GMs at one point doing one job. Oh I know, let's take your word for it and ignore the fact that even Parcells himself said he controlled X drafts. Give me a break.

    Just because I dont have this seething blind hatred of Ireland and actually understand that success is an intricate balance of coaching, drafting, player development and scheme I'm being labeled an Ireland homer by some 45 year old mouth breathers.

    Quote Originally Posted by z926538 View Post
    For the Dolphins to improve catching "a big fish in the first 5 casts" is not enough. Ireland realistically needs to find two outstanding playmakers and two additional solid starters for us to take the step forward that all Dolphins fans want to see. I'll give him one miss in the first five picks because nobody in the NFL gets them all right. But if we don't end up with two outstanding playmakers and two additional solid starters then this draft will be a failure.

    This is ridiculous. He does not need to find TWO outstanding playmakers in this one draft on top of two solid starters. That's insane and nobody expects that, but people LOOKING for a problem. If you can get 3 solid starters, 2 solid starters and 1 super stud, etc etc out fo the first 5, that's a great retention rate. Those are the simple odds of the NFL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valandui View Post
    He was ready to move on to Chris Long if Jake Long, Ireland and Sparano's pick, didn't sign in time.




    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...ft-notes_N.htm

    Also, the narrative at the time was that the pick would be between the two Longs. Ryan wasn't really in the equation beyond due diligence.
    I never said he was, apologies if that got confused somehow. I'm simply stating that even what you posted is conjecture. And that article is great for several reasons:

    1) People on this site should probably correct that article. Ireland was in charge of that draft. He had final say. Parcells couldn't have been responsible for all that. I mean, I have with good authority FINZDUDE14 knows the ins and outs of this franchise, not USA Today.

    2) That reads like they were using Chris Long as a negotiation tactic and the writer got a bit carried away with a story. It's a pretty moot point and one that makes absolutely no difference, so let's just say that Chris Long was almost a Dolphin. Looking back with hindsight... we might have been better off :\ Jake how the **** did you drop off like a sinking rock ugh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strangeworld View Post
    You have better chances of hitting the lotto than Ireland righting this ship.... We have 5 years of mismanagement that cannot simply be undone in one offseason.... especially since the guy responsible is still at the helm.
    I'll add this to all the other glass gems you've given us over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy685 View Post
    Oh okay so Ireland is responsible for all the negative and none of the positive okay thanks. Certainly there was NO variable of

    1) a coaching staff that was atrocious, and has been atrocious every single place they've gone. Sparano was a disaster in New York but CLEARLY HAD IRELAND DRAFTED BETTER THIS WOULDNT HAVE MATTERED
    2) the fact that we had two GMs at one point doing one job. Oh I know, let's take your word for it and ignore the fact that even Parcells himself said he controlled X drafts. Give me a break.

    Just because I dont have this seething blind hatred of Ireland and actually understand that success is an intricate balance of coaching, drafting, player development and scheme I'm being labeled an Ireland homer by some 45 year old mouth breathers.

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    Oh okay so Ireland is responsible for all the negative and none of the positive okay thanks. Certainly there was NO variable of

    1) a coaching staff that was atrocious, and has been atrocious every single place they've gone. Sparano was a disaster in New York but CLEARLY HAD IRELAND DRAFTED BETTER THIS WOULDNT HAVE MATTERED
    2) the fact that we had two GMs at one point doing one job. Oh I know, let's take your word for it and ignore the fact that even Parcells himself said he controlled X drafts. Give me a break.

    Just because I dont have this seething blind hatred of Ireland and actually understand that success is an intricate balance of coaching, drafting, player development and scheme I'm being labeled an Ireland homer by some 45 year old mouth breathers.




    This is ridiculous. He does not need to find TWO outstanding playmakers in this one draft on top of two solid starters. That's insane and nobody expects that, but people LOOKING for a problem. If you can get 3 solid starters, 2 solid starters and 1 super stud, etc etc out fo the first 5, that's a great retention rate. Those are the simple odds of the NFL.
    40 percent. That's the retention rate of a gold standard draft. Throw in one franchise guy in the 40 percent and you have a hall of fame draft. In VIP datruth55 did a draft review for every team over a 5 year period. You can guess who the worst teams were, and you'd be wrong if you listed the dolphins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy685 View Post
    This is ridiculous. He does not need to find TWO outstanding playmakers in this one draft on top of two solid starters. That's insane and nobody expects that, but people LOOKING for a problem. If you can get 3 solid starters, 2 solid starters and 1 super stud, etc etc out fo the first 5, that's a great retention rate. Those are the simple odds of the NFL.
    The reason why I think the Dolphins need to get two outstanding playmakers in the draft to be successful is that (a) I always expect an outstanding playmaker to come from a first round draft pick; and (b) we gave up one of the most talented wide receivers in the league to get one of our extra picks. If we don't replace Marshall in this draft then the Marshall trade was a bust. That leaves three picks in the second and third rounds. We should be able to find two starters in three picks.

    Our consistent failure as a team over the last decade to find solid starters in the second and third rounds is a major reason why the Dolphins have been so mediocre over the last decade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by z926538 View Post
    The reason why I think the Dolphins need to get two outstanding playmakers in the draft to be successful is that (a) I always expect an outstanding playmaker to come from a first round draft pick; and (b) we gave up one of the most talented wide receivers in the league to get one of our extra picks. If we don't replace Marshall in this draft then the Marshall trade was a bust. That leaves three picks in the second and third rounds. We should be able to find two starters in three picks.

    Our consistent failure as a team over the last decade to find solid starters in the second and third rounds is a major reason why the Dolphins have been so mediocre over the last decade.
    no. its our lack of impact players in the draft. we've found plenty of starters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildbill3 View Post
    no. its our lack of impact players in the draft. we've found plenty of starters.
    Wildbill, unless I am mistaken I think we're quibbling over semantics. In my mind what you call an "impact player" is what I call a "solid starter". We've had plenty of starters from the second and third rounds that have not been "solid" and that have failed to be "impact players". I think we both agree we haven't gotten the production out the second and third rounds of the draft that we should have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strangeworld View Post
    You have better chances of hitting the lotto than Ireland righting this ship.... We have 5 years of mismanagement that cannot simply be undone in one offseason.... especially since the guy responsible is still at the helm.
    Yes because Sparano and Parcells had nothing to do with the past. Sparano was an awful coach who couldnt develop talent, and Parcells was pulling the trigger on guys like Pat White and John Nalbone in the draft. And a ****ty owner like Wayne Huizenga allowing fools like Randy Muller waste high round draft picks on terrible players. Yea, none of that contributed to our annualy 7-9 records. With guys like Sparano, Dan Henning, and Parcells, its really a huge surprise that we didnt go 2-14 those years.

    Ive never seen a fanbase so ungrateful and narrow minded about having so much cap space, flexibility, and draft picks after upgrading the coach and QB the previous year. Its almost like they would rather have less cap space and less picks just to spite Ireland. Like having Brandon Marshall and Vontae Davis on our team would make us winners, because the last 2 years when they were on our team we were complete losers. Really, why are you so worried about having so much cap space and top picks in the draft? Are you afraid Ireland might actually use it well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valandui View Post
    Actually, Parcells wanted Chris Long.
    If Parcells wanted Chris Long, then we would have drafted Chris Long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zounds View Post
    Really, why are you so worried about having so much cap space and top picks in the draft? Are you afraid Ireland might actually use it well?
    I really think they (Ireland haters) do! Because this would make they're opinion on the man completely invalid, they will always resort to his failures regardless of how much success he will have... While Ireland should be put on blast for his mistakes, he should also be credited for the right choices he's made...

    If the Fins turn this thing around, Ireland haters won't admit to being wrong but distribute credit elsewhere (players, coaches etc...) and continue to reminisce on his failures. Nobody likes to admit they are wrong.

    Personally I don't like or hate him, I base my opinion on him more so on his latest work then I do in the beginning. If he was stuck on the old philosophy I'd be worried, but I think he's proven, at least in his last draft he's willing to change his ways.
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