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Thread: OT Eric Fisher...may be better than Luke Joeckel

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    I swear the offensive line has turned into a money/draftpick pit. There has to be a more efficient way to address the line than keep spending high picks on guys.
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    The line is a huge piece to any team and I am a firm believer in making it really good. Look at the teams that underachieved this year, almost all of them had severe oline issues. Eagles- they had a bunch of issues but the Online was awful, Cowboys, Bears, Packers, Jets-see Eagles, Chargers, Steelers-old too. Outside of losing a starting QB or not having one, nothing derails a season line a bad Oline.

    Its not like we have not tried to put pieces together outside of early picks, just nothing has hit. Maybe my main complaint is that we have never really made an effort late in rounds to find somebody to play. We kind of have it a little backward in that regard last years draft for example would have been a good time to take another RT. If he flashes then you have some flexavility in sending JM to LT this year...

    We are going to lose Long because he will get paid, and most don't care but part of builiding a team is either figuring out how to keep your talent or replacing them. Bad thing about us is we need talent and need to replace talent, a bad combination.

    I am going to look at it this way. We have Martin and Jerry worst case scenario for next year. 1. Hope that there is nobody on the line worth taking a 12. 2. Hope that there is a playmaker WR, DB, DE, LB, FS at 12 and we decide hey round 1 OL picks have not been super crucial to getting to be a winner, (because we are not winning) maybe we should change it up and address LT/RT later.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mfish41 View Post
    I swear the offensive line has turned into a money/draftpick pit. There has to be a more efficient way to address the line than keep spending high picks on guys.

    I posted this in another thread....

    Some teams have found value later in the draft, but the top teams this year have bookend tackles taken high.

    Patriots - Solder (1), Vollmer (2)
    Baltimore - McKinnie (1), Oher (1)
    SF - Staley (1), Davis (1)
    Falcons - Baker (1), Clabo (udfa)....also have 2 2nd rounders in Konz/Blalock at guard.
    Broncos - Clady (1), Franklin (2)
    Seattle - Okung (1), Giacomini (5)
    Green Bay - Newhouse (5), Barclay (udfa).....and their line is a disaster and one of the biggest reasons they struggled this year

    As you can see, the best teams in the league have spent high picks to protect their QB, and with good reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PSU Cane View Post
    I posted this in another thread....

    Some teams have found value later in the draft, but the top teams this year have bookend tackles taken high.

    Patriots - Solder (1), Vollmer (2)
    Baltimore - McKinnie (1), Oher (1)
    SF - Staley (1), Davis (1)
    Falcons - Baker (1), Clabo (udfa)....also have 2 2nd rounders in Konz/Blalock at guard.
    Broncos - Clady (1), Franklin (2)
    Seattle - Okung (1), Giacomini (5)
    Green Bay - Newhouse (5), Barclay (udfa).....and their line is a disaster and one of the biggest reasons they struggled this year

    As you can see, the best teams in the league have spent high picks to protect their QB, and with good reason.
    DaTruth made a good point in the other thread against this. I agree with both of you in some degree. As I posted in another thread though look what ****ty line play has done to some teams that were considered if not at least contenders pretty good teams. PAckers, Bears, Cowboys, Chargers. Just to name the obvious. All have good enough QBs, RBs, WR, and somewhat Defenses.
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    One way to get renovations at Sun Life is to draft a tackle...the stadium will burnt down to the ground by fans.
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    The problem is that you aren't gaining anything by replacing a former first round pick on the OL with another first round pick. You're stagnating, especially when you can get quality tackles later in the draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valandui View Post
    The problem is that you aren't gaining anything by replacing a former first round pick on the OL with another first round pick. You're stagnating, especially when you can get quality tackles later in the draft.
    Fine let Long walk, then replace him with a crap shoot mid round pick that may or not be there. Possible yes, but huge risk lets just remember this philosophy when we bash our front office when this fails. Its just not that easy that is why I have so much issue with the constant basher here. These are tough decisions that is why I am in favor of tagging Long AS AN OPTION. Then you take that mid round risk see what you have, while remaining cap flexible. Also using early picks on playmaker positions and players. 15 million is a lot but you are paying for a capable player, allowing a mid round pick to be developed and evaluated, keeping money options for 2014 and beyond. These are the decisions you must consider to build your roster in a responsible way that maximizes the resources you have on your roster, in the draft, and money you have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hayden Fox View Post
    One way to get renovations at Sun Life is to draft a tackle...the stadium will burnt down to the ground by fans.
    No it wont because last year is way way different from this year.

    you tell me people will burn something down because they didnt get Allen but ended up with say...Wheaton and Bailey? Sorry. not buying it. It wont burn down unless we whiff on draft picks period. Meaning Egnew. not seeing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valandui View Post
    The problem is that you aren't gaining anything by replacing a former first round pick on the OL with another first round pick. You're stagnating, especially when you can get quality tackles later in the draft.
    younger version of the same guy for much cheaper than when he signed. Stagnant? You solve your problem there for ten years....provided he doesnt get injured.
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    Martin is better at LT than he is at RT. We should leave him there and draft a mid round RT or sign one in FA. We don't need to keep throwing high picks at the OL. Remember, Jake Long supposedly fixed the LT position for ten years and he was the first overall pick.
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