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Thread: Chip Kelly says big hands "is the biggest coaching point to finding a QB"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeO View Post
    Drew Brees has small hands.....just sayin
    Drew Brees definitely redefines the QB position as far as size goes. Let's see if Russell Wilson holds up as well as he has. I don't think he'll ever have the stats, but he could put together a great career. Tannehill has the size as far as height. If he works with the right people, I think he'll be ok.
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    This is kinda laughable to me. But it brings up three points:

    1. Kelly's reference to ball control is an important point. If hands are so small that a QB has trouble controling the ball, it is a definite liability. But, where you see that happen is fumbling and inaccuracy. Fumbled snaps rarely occur, but strip-sacks do. Guys that give up strip-sacks definitely have ball control issues and that'sa massive problem. IMHO, fumbles need to be factored into QB rating and are worse than interceptions. Fumbles happen farther upfield and are always 100% the fault of the fumbler, whereas INT's can bounce off the receiver's hands, or be thrown to a spot and the receiver run the wrong route.

    Tannehill has none of these problems. In fact, Tannehill's ball control is exceptional. In traffic during the rush he senses pressure, secures the ball with 2 hands (always better than even the biggest single hand), and has shown to have exceptional awareness and technique, leading to good ball security. Yes, in his first game he bobbled a shotgun snap ... which is actually pretty common for rookies, but he didn't really have a problem with it after that. Yes, he has given up a strip-sack, but it hasn't been a recurring problem and it was a pretty vicious hit, not just a swipe. Tannehill didn't appear to have a problem holding onto the ball at Texas A&M, nor does he appear to have a problem holding onto it in Miami. Frankly, I'm not worried about that aspect from him.

    As for accurate and precise passing, that's what Tannehill showed he did very very well. He displayed excellent ball security in consistently placing the ball where our receiver had a chance to get it, but the defender did not. Only a fool would look at the box score INT number and think otherwise, disregarding Naanee fearing a hit giving up on an accurately thrown route (INT), Tannehill hitting Fasano in the chest and it bouncing off his chest into the LB's arms (INT), or the WR bobbling the ball and basically handing it to the defender (INT), or 2 blocked passes against JJ Watt and the Texans (2 INT's). Only a fool would look at our Indianapolis game and not recognize that we had 3 INT's that Andrew Luck threw that our inept defenders dropped thus not resulting in INT's. No, some Tannehill's strengths are his accurate and precise throwing of the ball and his sensing of the pressure and proper technique to hold onto the ball.

    2. Kelly really needs to dig deep to find a metric where Vick doesn't fit his offense but Foles does. I mean really, this looks exactly like Kelly trying to instill confidence in the young guy who doesn't fit Kelly's system while justifying getting rid of the guy who the players idolize in the locker room. Vick is a horrible turnover machine. Everyone has their opinion on why he is, but the reality is that now he fails to sense the rush, fails to secure the ball with 2 hands, fails to even grip the ball properly and sometimes just simply drops it. No coach can win with a QB like that so Kelly desperately needs to get the team on his side about letting Vick go. Conveniently, it also plays into something that sounds plausible for Chip Kelly's offense ... ball control at the QB position, becasue everyone knows Foles can't run like Kelly asks his QB's to do. So, this is a convenient smokescreen device.

    3. There aren't any QB's like Kelly wants around. In the draft only Geno Smith and EJ Manuel really have the physical tools to run Kelly's offense as he implemented it in collge. If Kelly wants Smith, he needs to downplay the need for a QB ... thus make it look like he is happy with Foles. If Smith wants Manuel it would likely be in round 2 or 3, but that's a loooooong way to bluff if he's the last guy this offseason that can run your offense, so best not let anyone know you want him.

    Personally, I see the Eagles taking Geno Smith in round 1 if the Chiefs don't take him. But if Smith isn't available, I see the Eagles going after EJ Manuel as early as round 2. Can anyone really see Nick Foles trying to run the Chip Kelly offense successfully?
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    RG3 has small hands too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrEd View Post
    RG3 has small hands too.
    Yes and he had a great arm, and accurate. The jury is still out on whether or not he can sustain an NFL career due to his style of play. Not good to have ACL problems when you're young. It's easier to overcome it now as opposed to an older player, but not good nonetheless.
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    Ryan Tannehill was a receiver in college and IIRC he didn't have any fumbling or drop issues there. So, his small hands = not an issue.
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