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Thread: Baylor WR Terrance Williams seems good fit for Dolphins

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    Quote Originally Posted by hooshoops View Post
    williams also got a ton of clean releases at baylor...rarely pressed...so he was able to get off the los and into his routes unimpeded...may just be he needs more time to work on hand use and physicality at the los and to get off guys i do really like the way though he plays the sideline and tight spaces so well...thats something for instance clyde gates never figured out...he just let dbs ride him right out of bounds and gave the qb no target...

    i like williams more than hopkins...dbs will have to respect williams ability to get over the top on him...which will open up some things underneath for him...
    While this is true, Terrance Williams is merely one member of a club with more members than the AARP when it comes to this issue in college football.

    As for what he showed in the Senior Bowl I just think we have to be careful not to over-rate the importance. How many televised snaps would you estimate you saw of Williams getting pressed at Senior Bowl practices? Maybe 2? Maybe 3? And I do recall specifically at least one of those he got off the jam and into his route, created a nice amount of separation.
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    absolutely all the soft coverage looks in college football are a problem when it comes to evaluating wrs...heck they wouldn't even let you press the wrs in the senior bowl game...all off coverages...so it's not like you can look to there for anything...

    i don't think i have a problem with t williams at #56 for us...i wouldn't pull the trigger any higher though...not all that physical a wr i don't see a lot of rac and making guys miss there with the ball in his hands...but i do like that dbs can't sit on stuff with him and he has deceptive long speed...i'd like it more though if he was a little bigger than he came in at...
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    I also see Terrance Williams' physicality being questioned while he's out on the route. I think that's fair at times. But let's not pretend this is an easy one to peg.

    There's this play on the ball in physical coverage, which is just fantastic:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...Jfv6I7ZfA#t=2s

    When you see a play like this, you see him dive to the ground. But is that because he's afraid of contact? Or because he has a keen awareness of where the 1st down marker is and doesn't want to risk getting hit high and driven backward just shy of it, when he knows he can dive low and stick the ball over the marker he needs? You decide:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...fv6I7ZfA#t=46s

    And maybe we all have different standards for what press coverage is...but this looks like press to me. Does he finish this catch? No. The corner did a good job reaching in after the catch and stripping the football as he's trying to secure the ball. But I thought the issue we're worried about is how he gets off the press? Here he does just that and creates separation.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...fv6I7ZfA#t=68s

    Again here, we're worried about press, right? The corner here is IN press. Does he get hands on Williams? No. He can't, because Williams effectively used a jab step to prevent it. Defeating the press isn't all about being physically strong or using your hands. Using your feet to defeat the press is just as important as using your hands.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v6I7ZfA#t=104s

    The man is criticized for physicality, and surely he doesn't win every block...but he sure did win this one which helped create about 10 more yards...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v6I7ZfA#t=159s

    And this is also a 1st down producing block.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v6I7ZfA#t=210s

    And this stood a fair chance at being a touchdown-producing block.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v6I7ZfA#t=237s

    Here again is what I talked about before. Sometimes you see this and you think it's a tendency away from physicality, away from physically challenging the defender. Maybe it is. But it could also easily be a guy just prioritizing the 1st down marker.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v6I7ZfA#t=193s

    This is tight, physical coverage deep down the field. Look how he uses his hands to create the separation needed to make this play. The corner complains about OPI but you're not often getting the flag for this at either level.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v6I7ZfA#t=219s

    Here again...how do people see plays like this and come away thinking this guy can't handle physicality in coverage? Look how he uses his hands to physically get by a player trying to sit on his route. Then he finishes it off with a high point catch while a guy was physically draped on him.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v6I7ZfA#t=252s

    And that's all just one game.
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    Also one thing to keep in mind is that during the Senior Bowl practices, especially the NORTH practices...those guys weren't just jamming receivers. They weren't just being physical with them. In games, about 3 out of every 5 of those reps would've drawn a flag. The defensive players were told to be physical, they got TOO physical, and nobody on the staff corrected them. They were guilty of textbook holding or pass interference like I said probably on 60 percent of the snaps, and it made evaluation of the receivers extremely difficult.
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    My goodness how did he catch this football. Feet in bounds? No. That wasn't possible, based on the timing and placement of the throw. But when it comes to evaluation you've got to look at raw skills. Look at the raw skill it took to hold onto this football all the way to the ground. That's NFL skill. Incidentally I'm pretty sure that should've been called a touchdown as per college rules. He scraped his left toe impossibly on the turf before it went out of bounds.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...TNWQ_q8#t=114s

    Nice physical catches on these 8 plays as well...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep3AS...tailpage#t=62s
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep3AS...tailpage#t=80s
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep3AS...tailpage#t=89s
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep3AS...tailpage#t=98s
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep3AS...ailpage#t=167s
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep3AS...ailpage#t=175s
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep3AS...ailpage#t=184s
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep3AS...ailpage#t=191s

    Man. Remember back when people questioned whether this guy could deal with physical coverage and make contested catches? Heh.
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    i don't consider press bail coverage to be true press...not when a db starts by taking a step backwards off the snap...i'm sure some of that has to do with williams jab step and footwork and the db being worried about getting beat deep so he's bailing...so that's a definite feather in williams cap
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    Nice vids, ck, thanks. I like how he works tight spaces in those spread sets; he uses space really well on the sidelines. And it looks like he has a knack for always making himself available by giving his QB a nice obvious target for where to place the ball. Good stuff.
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    Seems like Williams tries to avoid contact. I haven't seen much tape on the guy, so I'm not claiming I know anything, but from the little I've seen on him, it seems like he's diving to the ground before getting hit, running out of bounds, or not even trying to fight for extra yards. Hartline already struggles with getting yards after the catch. It just kinda seems like Williams shies away from contact. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VA_Finfan View Post
    Seems like Williams tries to avoid contact. I haven't seen much tape on the guy, so I'm not claiming I know anything, but from the little I've seen on him, it seems like he's diving to the ground before getting hit, running out of bounds, or not even trying to fight for extra yards. Hartline already struggles with getting yards after the catch. It just kinda seems like Williams shies away from contact. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
    It's a valid observation. I don't think it's that big of a deal. He shows a tendency to care more about the sticks and getting the ball beyond the 1st down marker however he can than he does physically challenging the defenders coming at him. This tendency isn't the reason Brian Hartline is so bad after the catch. Hartline's lack of strength and balance are what make him bad after the catch. There are a few instances where Williams falls down after the catch. But he's young enough to work on that. Hartline is going to stay what he is, in that regard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    I think that's some heavy propaganda. Doesn't run that fast on the field, that's for sure.
    Yea looking at his clips he looks faster than 4.6 but definitely doesn't look no 4.3. He'll likely run something like 4.4 or 4.5. The commentators do mention him as a deep threat and "look at his speed" when he takes off running but it doesn't look no 4.3 that's for sure.
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