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Thread: MERGED:Chris Clemons one of the best safeties, accoriding to PFF

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrhankey81701 View Post
    Jones is able to gamble and make the big time plays because Clemons is so consistent and reliable. If Clemons wasn't jones would have to stay back to try and prevent the big play
    Only difference would be Jones can make the big play while Clemons hasn't proven to yet. Dont think he ever will TBH, didn't have the gamechanging plays at Clemson either, just a damn vood leader and realiable to do what he has to do.



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    I have no issues with Clemons in coverage. My issue with him is how many times I see him take terrible angles and miss open field tackles because his head is down and he doesnt even see the ballcarrier.
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    Wow, good for CC! I had no idea his percetage was so low! This alone should make him a re-sign! I know a lot of people are in love with drafting Rambo, but if we keep Jones and CC together, there shouldn't be a need to draft the safety position with a high pick for awhile... Now CB, that's a whole other ball of wax.
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    PFF stats are consistently misleading. They do have their worth, but those rankings usually don't hold a lot of water.

    CC was a solid safety for us... not the worst, and definitely not the best. Those percentages don't tell you about passes that were converted "underneath" his coverage or plays where he might have messed up on a help coverage (but that's not in his "zone" so it wont show up).

    I always thought CC was quite conservative in his coverage and then didn't do a great job in help coverage on a consistent basis. I think he is a good tackler and doesn't let too many over the top of him, but I wouldn't rank him #1 or even #5. I don't think he needs to be replaced but I don't think he needs to be held in as high of a regard as the elite safeties of the NFL.


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    Meh PFF is fun to look at but not end all be all..

    I do like Clemons tho, he deserves a contract from MIA

    I find it very telling that only 3 of the top 10 safties on that list actually made the playoffs. None of which were top five

    Jennings from GB, Smith From Min and Moore from Den.

    2 teams have a duo, Buffalo and Miami.

    In a league where alot of analyst say Saftey play is huge i find it telling that the majority of the top ten are on bad teams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tunaphish429 View Post
    Meh PFF is fun to look at but not end all be all..

    I do like Clemons tho, he deserves a contract from MIA

    I find it very telling that only 3 of the top 10 safties on that list actually made the playoffs. None of which were top five

    Jennings from GB, Smith From Min and Moore from Den.

    2 teams have a duo, Buffalo and Miami.

    In a league where alot of analyst say Saftey play is huge i find it telling that the majority of the top ten are on bad teams.
    Dude was te biggest reason Denver lost tat game.

    One of te worst plays on a ball I've ever seen in a playoff game.
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    a safety that doesn't make plays on the ball or produce ints and pass break ups is always gonna be an average one...no matter what else he does...ball skills and playmaking on the ball trump all with safeties...barring a horrendous tackler as the last line of defense...clemons is not a horrendous tackler by any stretch but he's got awful hips...so in space when a guy has a 2 way go he's mince meat...
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    I daresay if pff had him rated as the worst safety some of you would be all over it talking it up but when it rates him as one of the top safeties you just toss it out the window. telling

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    I like Clemons, he wont cost big money, we would be silly to let him go. Clemons and Jones are a really really solid pair, that hardly ever let the team down.
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    i think overall clemons play was pretty solid this year...had a few times where i thought he blew something but all in all pretty solid...the 2 deep helpe though lets not act like it didn't...and he didn't have to cover men in the slot very much which would be a problem with those hips but all in all he played pretty good assignment football and when the play was in front of him and he didn't have to redirect in space was dependable...pretty good tackler also again when he didn't have to redirect...

    what happens though is when you have no one really other than reshad jones making plays on the ball in the secondary especially when none of your corners create turnovers it's pretty easy to jump on a safety for not getting it done...heck i do it myself...and there's no doubt on some throws down the seam clemons should be there earlier than he is or make a play on the ball once in a while but it's magnified when you got no ball skills really in your 2 deep secondary rotation...
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