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Thread: When a cow breaks wind....somebody is murdered in Chicago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton View Post
    No. How is a city law supposed to stop a nationwide problem? Dry counties have the same sorts of issues.


    Thatís a question for the Liberals in power in Chicago who lobbied to get those strict gun laws passed with the promise that they would reduce violence in Chicago, not for me. Now that their laws have been shown to be ineffective, they are blaming the weather rather than admitting they were wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Statler Waldorf View Post

    Thatís a question for the Liberals in power in Chicago who lobbied to get those strict gun laws passed with the promise that they would reduce violence in Chicago, not for me. Now that their laws have been shown to be ineffective, they are blaming the weather rather than admitting they were wrong.
    The easiness of going outside of Chicago to buy a gun negates any benefit that could be had by having a city law. It doesn't really reflect on any benefits or drawbacks of national bans or laws, however.
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    Most of those guns are bought illegally, so it doesn't matter what gun laws they put up. While the majority of those gun crimes are gang related. And the majority of that is traced to drug prohibition. You figure liberals would be the first ones to see that. Instead overreaching gun laws to the point of being unconstitutional have lead to the worst city in terms of gun crimes in the nation.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolphins9954 View Post
    Most of those guns are bought illegally, so it doesn't matter what gun laws they put up. While the majority of those gun crimes are gang related. And the majority of that is traced to drug prohibition. You figure liberals would be the first ones to see that. Instead overreaching gun laws to the point of being unconstitutional have lead to the worst city in terms of gun crimes in the nation.
    They are bought illegally, but where did they come from? Are there illegal underground manufacturers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton View Post
    They are bought illegally, but where did they come from? Are there illegal underground manufacturers?
    You think those gang members buy those guns legally???

    I would bet most don't. For me drug prohibition has more to do with this than anything.
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    The origins of the Gangster Disciples go back to the 1960s, and it became a major criminal force under the leadership of Larry Hoover in the 1970s. Hoover, who authorities say ran the gang even while in state prison for murder, built an operation that was as sophisticated as a legitimate corporation. The leadership established a strict code of conduct for members, reprimanding them for unacceptable behavior including violence.
    Hoover transformed the Gangster Disciples into a multistate drug distribution network by the mid-1990s, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration told the Tribune in 2004. He shifted the gang away from traditional street market competition to impose a franchise system on drug sales.

    "They had armies of lawyers and accountants. They had their own clothing line, music promotion company, political action committee. They had a structure that helped them insulate the leaders from the drugs and the guns," said Ron Safer, a former assistant U.S. attorney who prosecuted Hoover in the 1990s.

    After Hoover and other gang leaders were taken down in a federal drug-trafficking, extortion and criminal enterprise case in 1997 ó Hoover is now in the federal supermax prison in Florence, Colo. ó a steady splintering of the Gangster Disciples began that has increased in the last decade, experts said.
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    Re: When a cow breaks wind....somebody is murdered in Chicago.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton View Post
    They are bought illegally, but where did they come from? Are there illegal underground manufacturers?
    You don't see a lot on this, it is the forgotten factor but I feel it is one if the most important. From what I have seen and read, most are originally purchased legally, stolen, then sold illegally. I commented on an article and graph used in another thread that showed about 80% of the guns used in mass murders were legally acquired. The graph was horribly incorrect and misleading. They counted every gun that was originally purchased legally as legally acquired whether the shooter style them or not and they listed the weapons used at Sandy Hook and Columbine as legally acquired. That is blatantly false as all of the weapons used were stolen from parents/family. The parents acquiring them legally is immaterial. The shooters could not acquire the weapons legally due to their age.

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    So let's take a look at a country that's banned guns altogether to see how it has work.

    http://blog.syracuse.com/opinion/201...ter_gun_b.html

    yep... it hasn't.
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