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Thread: A Metrics Breakdown of Patterson, Allen, Hopkins and Bailey

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    Wow, ck, that list is telling.

    And just wanted to say that this is one of the best FH threads I've read in a long while.
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    Like Patterson or not, I cant see philbin signing off on a guy who catches with his body. Even if you look at the last two WRs we drafted, the one thing that stood out is they catch with there hands and lock the ball up quickly.

    Catching is a big part for philbins mold for WRs, even jordy Nelson couldn't get on the field for awhile because he was dropping it in practice.

    IMO that will be deciding factor in not drafting Patterson. Especially with the amount of timing patters along the way tannehill really rips it, ball skills are incredibly important in this offense.
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    He only catches with his body when he needs to shield the ball from a defender. He's got very good natural hands and catches the football away from his body extremely well.
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    But is Wheaton a realistic option for the Fins? Wouldnt the fins still need to find a #1 WR for Wheaton to compliment or are you thinking Wheaton alone can dominate our WR Core?
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    This is pretty informative. Thanks for the excellent post. I am leaning towards the raw talent of Patterson at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubby View Post
    But is Wheaton a realistic option for the Fins? Wouldnt the fins still need to find a #1 WR for Wheaton to compliment or are you thinking Wheaton alone can dominate our WR Core?
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    People are too caught up in labels. If Markus Wheaton is Santonio Holmes with DeSean Jackson's long speed then you're damn thankful you have him and I don't give two ****s about whether someone in the media labels him #1, #2 or #45.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    People are too caught up in labels. If Markus Wheaton is Santonio Holmes with DeSean Jackson's long speed then you're damn thankful you have him and I don't give two ****s about whether someone in the media labels him #1, #2 or #45.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    He only catches with his body when he needs to shield the ball from a defender. He's got very good natural hands and catches the football away from his body extremely well.
    I know your a Patterson fan, and that's cool, but I strongly disagree that he has very good natural hands. It's why IMO, he constantly had 2-3 catches/ game. Qb and coordinators didn't trust his hands.
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    Ouch! Thanks for that list.....I'm guessing trades have been more successful.....A la Brandon Marshall to the bears. I realize though that then you are investing picks and big money bc no one let's star players go in their rookie contract, but could it still be worth it for a much lower bust rate over drafting?

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    I don't know about comprehensive study which incorporates dollar amounts and takes account of production...but here's a list I drew up of notable to semi-notable wide receivers that have had their contracts expire and then switched teams in free agency since 2008.

    I warn you, it's not pretty...


    Wastes of Time & Resources
    2008: Sam Aiken from Buffalo to New England
    2008: Bernard Berrian from Chicago to Minnesota
    2008: Marty Booker from Miami to Chicago
    2008: Bryant Johnson from Arizona to San Francisco
    2008: Eddie Kennison from Kansas City to St. Louis
    2008: Ashley Lelie from San Francisco to Oakland
    2008: Brandon Lloyd from Washington to Chicago
    2008: Justin McCareins from New York Jets to Tennessee
    2008: Jerry Porter from Oakland to Jacksonville
    2008: Koren Robinson from Green Bay to Seattle
    2008: Donte Stallworth from New England to Cleveland
    2008: Javon Walker from Denver to Oakland
    2009: Hank Baskett from Philadelphia to Indianapolis
    2009: Laveranues Coles from New York Jets to Cincinnati
    2009: Mike Furrey from Detroit to Cleveland
    2009: Joey Galloway from Tampa Bay to Pittsburgh
    2009: Torry Holt from St. Louis to Jacksonville
    2009: T.J. Houshmandzadeh from Cincinnati to Seattle
    2009: Bryant Johnson from San Francisco to Detroit
    2009: Terrell Owens from Dallas to Buffalo
    2009: Kelley Washington from New England to Baltimore
    2009: Roydell Williams from Tennessee to Washington
    2010: Arnaz Battle from San Francisco to Pittsburgh
    2010: Antonio Bryant from Tampa Bay to Cincinnati
    2010: Nate Burleson from Seattle to Detroit
    2010: Mike Furrey from Cleveland to Washington
    2010: Joey Galloway from Pittsburgh to Washington
    2010: Jason Hill from San Francisco to Jacksonville
    2010: T.J. Houshmandzadeh from Seattle to Baltimore
    2010: Matt Jones from Jacksonville to Cincinnati
    2010: Randy Moss from Minnesota to Tennessee
    2010: Antwaan Randle El from Washington to Pittsburgh
    2010: Josh Reed from Buffalo to San Diego
    2010: Devin Thomas from Carolina to New York Giants
    2010: Jerheme Urban from Arizona to Kansas City
    2010: Bobby Wade from Kansas City to Washington
    2010: Demetrius Williams from Baltimore to Cleveland
    2011: Seyi Ajirotutu from San Diego to Carolina
    2011: Devin Aromashodu from Chicago to Minnesota
    2011: Donnie Avery from St. Louis to Tennessee
    2011: Steve Breaston from Arizona to Kansas City
    2011: Plaxico Burress from New York Giants to New York Jets
    2011: Jericho Cotchery from New York Jets to Pittsburgh Steelers
    2011: Craig "Buster" Davis from San Diego to Buffalo
    2011: Braylon Edwards from New York Jets to San Francisco
    2011: James Hardy from Buffalo to Baltimore
    2011: Johnnie Lee Higgins from Oakland to Philadelphia
    2011: T.J. Houshmandzadeh from Baltimore to Oakland
    2011: Michael Jenkins from Atlanta to Minnesota
    2011: Bryant Johnson from Detroit to Houston
    2011: Sinorice Moss from New York Giants to Philadelphia
    2011: Legedu Naanee from San Diego to Carolina
    2011: Taylor Price from New England to Jacksonville
    2011: Mike Sims-Walker from St. Louis to Jacksonville
    2011: Brad Smith from New York Jets to Buffalo
    2011: Steve E. Smith from New York Giants to Philadelphia
    2011: Brandon Tate from New England to Cincinnati
    2011: Roy Williams from Dallas to Chicago
    2012: Seyi Ajirotutu from Carolina to San Diego
    2012: Plaxico Burress from New York Jets to Pittsburgh
    2012: Andre Caldwell from Cincinnati to Denver
    2012: Braylon Edwards from San Francisco to Seattle
    2012: Braylon Edwards from Seattle to New York Jets
    2012: Clyde Gates from Miami to New York Jets
    2012: Robert Meachem from New Orleans to San Diego
    2012: Carlton Mitchell from Cleveland to Jacksonville
    2012: Josh Morgan from San Francisco to Jacksonville
    2012: Laurent Robinson from Dallas to Jacksonville
    2012: Brian Robiskie from Jacksonville to Detroit
    2012: Eddie Royal from Denver to San Diego
    2012: Greg Salas from New England to Philadelphia
    2012: Dane Sanzenbacher from Chicago to Cincinnati
    2012: Chaz Schilens from Oakland to New York Jets
    2012: Jordan Shipley from Tampa Bay to Jacksonville
    2012: Jerome Simpson from Cincinnati to Minnesota
    2012: Steve E. Smith from Philadelphis to St. Louis
    2012: Mike Thomas from Jacksonville to Detroit

    Mixed Success Relative to Price
    2008: Isaac Bruce from St. Louis to San Francisco
    2008: Antonio Bryant from Dallas to Tampa Bay
    2008: Muhsin Muhammad from Chicago to Carolina
    2009: Jabar Gaffney from New England to Denver
    2009: Brandon Lloyd from Chicago to Denver
    2010: Terrell Owens from Buffalo to Cincinnati
    2011: Sidney Rice from Minnesota to Seattle
    2012: Danario Alexander from St. Louis to San Diego
    2012: Donnie Avery from Tennessee to Indianapolis
    2012: Pierre Garcon from Indianapolis to Washington
    2012: Trindon Holliday from Houston to Denver
    2012: Jacoby Jones from Houston to Baltimore
    2012: Brandon Lloyd from St. Louis to New England
    2012: Mario Manningham from New York Giants to San Francisco
    2012: Brandon Stokley from New York Giants to Denver Broncos

    Undeniably Successful Signings
    2009: Nate Washington from Pittsburgh to Tennessee
    2012: Vincent Jackson from San Diego to Tampa Bay
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    Nitpicking, but Danario Alexander was undeniably successful for the Bolts based on what he cost. You could make an argument that Sydney Rice should be in the last group too, but I can also buy your take on it.
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