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Thread: A Metrics Breakdown of Patterson, Allen, Hopkins and Bailey

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    Quote Originally Posted by xXwarXx View Post
    LoL don't nit pick my comments into what you wamt them to be, and don't bring in stats that only show a small part of the story. If Allen had played across from Justin hunter he would be a top 10 pick. Allen lined up at every spot there is for WRs amd ran a HUGE variety of routes.

    I NEVER said Allen was a great deep ball threat, you made that comment up. On top of that my comparrison of Allen, pat ton, and Bailey to Patterson, was that ALL of them do far more than Patterson does as far as being a polished wr goes.

    Go watch any Patterson game tape, it's the Same routes over and over, this is college, not the NFL, why didn't he do anything new as the year went on? all this natural ability, but still running tne same crap over and over, 2-3 catches a game in college. For the 12th pick in the draft?

    To me, Patterson is jacoby jones at best. Not a bad player, but not worth the 12th pick either. Jones was good at what he was good at, and thats it. And still can't catch a ball without using his body to save his life.
    First off, I've watched Patterson and charted every game of his (limited completions makes it easy) and I have more data on him than you'll ever know (or is posted), so let's not pretend like I'm ill informed here.

    You also said "Allen is running all over the field", that to me implies that he's running...all over the field. The charting statistics indicate that he's running in a very specific part of the field. Mostly screens and 1-5 yard routes, with some 6-10 yard routes as well. Maybe you can call that nitpicking, but you were wrong so I thought I'd help you out. I didn't have any malintent when I said it, your point on Patton and Bailey was right...they do have a wide variety of catches. However, if you're going to argue you better get your facts right and don't write things that are incorrect.

    The point of my post was just to provide a little bit of insight, I didn't even say whether I liked Patterson or not. Frankly your opinion doesn't matter to me, it's not going to change my evaluation or the stats so it's not even worth arguing. Everyone has their own evaluations, in the end someone is going to be right and someone is going to be wrong. That's the nature of the game, might as well let it play out like it may.
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    i think pattersons hands are a little suspect also...and denario alexanders knees are held together by chicken wire...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    I don't understand this argument style.

    "Stop throwing facts and evidence at me because my opinion is right no matter what the facts and evidence say and I'll just keep saying it louder and that's how you know how right I am."
    I never said any of that, stop trying to make me look childish to make your arguments look stronger.

    An example of details that have nothing to do with the conversation was that you mentioned a corners 40 time, that has zip to do with pattersons catching ability. But your need to push Patterson on all Miami fans makes you constantly try to show how great he is at everything.

    Until now you've done a fine job of ot, but to sit Here and make it sound like this guy has good hands, and is good at catching is just ridiculous. Hopefully we can continue to debate this like adults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUGap View Post
    First off, I've watched Patterson and charted every game of his (limited completions makes it easy) and I have more data on him than you'll ever know (or is posted), so let's not pretend like I'm ill informed here.

    You also said "Allen is running all over the field", that to me implies that he's running...all over the field. The charting statistics indicate that he's running in a very specific part of the field. Mostly screens and 1-5 yard routes, with some 6-10 yard routes as well. Maybe you can call that nitpicking, but you were wrong so I thought I'd help you out. I didn't have any malintent when I said it, your point on Patton and Bailey was right...they do have a wide variety of catches. However, if you're going to argue you better get your facts right and don't write things that are incorrect.

    The point of my post was just to provide a little bit of insight, I didn't even say whether I liked Patterson or not. Frankly your opinion doesn't matter to me, it's not going to change my evaluation or the stats so it's not even worth arguing. Everyone has their own evaluations, in the end someone is going to be right and someone is going to be wrong. That's the nature of the game, might as well let it play out like it may.
    I mever said your stats weren't good or that I didn't like them, I simply stated what you said in your own post, that they don't tell the whole story. On top of that they are based on a %. You can't really compare stats of Allen and Patterson in that way, Patterson is 2-3 catch player in single coverage, Allen is a 7-8 catch guy who is often double amd triple teamed. Schematically, the offense has no choice but to run more screens to him to try to get him in space.

    Sorry for the confusion, Patterson debates get heated man...
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    *steals the attention whore spotlight*

    I was high on Patterson even before Hoops and Ck


    Thougt that would fit in with the arguing in ere js lol
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    ha ha...the run ater the catch with patterson is filthy...but there's a lot of buyer beware there for me...i'd take keenan allen over him if i had the choice...one year of d1 production...i wonder about his ability to win in routes at the next level...i have questions about is he a natural hands catcher...he doesn't pluck the football out of the air pillow soft to me...looks like a boom or bust guy to me

    doesn't strike me as the smartest football player when it comes to reading coverage and setting up dbs...likely gets a gm long term stability or gets a gm fired kind of guy...
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    Im still stuck with whats the difference between Allen and say someone like Chris Harper as far as how well they will translate to the pros? Not saying Allen is not worthy, but why is someone else not? WR is deep IMO. DEEEEEEEEEP!

    FA: Dmitiri Patterson (Vet min.w/ incentives)
    1. Zach Martin OT
    2. Bishop Sankey RB
    3. Brandon Thomas G/T
    4. Max Bullough ILB
    5. Crockett Gilmore TE
    6. Brandon Linder G/T
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    allen runs quality routes and most importantly separates in and out of cuts for a big wr...he's got some suddenness to him...some burst...quality hips...he'll run mid 4.5's or better and barring serious skeletons in the closet be a top 20 pick...very polished ready to contribute from the jump win wr...underutilized and underproductive at cal...had he been at the senior bowl his size would have been apparent as would his suddenness and physical abilities...top wr on my board...but an underclassmen...

    i like allen, bailey, woods, patton the most...wheaton falls in around #6 to 8 range for me...hopkins lacks long speed and scares me i don't think he'll get off coverage down the field...justin hunter has elite tools but not much polish right now...in 2 years could be filthy...patterson is boom or bust...if we take him i hope for the best pretty much all i can say...terence williams can get vertical when he's clean but struggles to get off press to me...runs good routes...needs to use his hands more and get more physical...

    keep in mind we need smart wrs for this system...guys that understand coverage and db leverage...if a guys a dope or plays dumb i don't see the fit...
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    Oh cute, its a ryan mallettesque argument all over again!!!!! Lmao
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