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    Pay the guy...lucky for us, there's about 8 top LT prospects becoming FA's this year. That should help set the market for Long
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    Quote Originally Posted by fanfin View Post
    why everyone wants Jake Long to leave. His play has suffered due to injuries and schematic changes but he is still a top 10 LT in the league and those guys don't grow on trees. Some of you talk worse about him than Marc Colombo! He is asking for 10M$ per season which isn't exactly breaking the bank. All we are doing by letting him go is creating ANOTHER need. If we cut Carpenter and either Richard Marshall or Dmitri Patterson we will have around 55 million in salary cap space! Why not spend 10 of that on Jake and we still have 45 million left for Greg Jennings, a TE, and a CB like Derek Cox
    So why do you want an injury prone player who cant contribute, or contributes minimalistically because he is always injured.. For the record Long IS NOT a top 10 LT. Martin came in and there was no noticable drop at the LT position and actually it moreso seemed that our offense actually got better. Schematic changes is not a valid excuse as everyone has to cope with the change, not just Long. Martin is (or at least better be) our future LT and we will likely address our future RT in the draft. TBH, I do not think we should bring Long back for any amount. If we pay him 10 million or 5 million, he is still going to play like garbage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fanfin View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAPYokt2Npc

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    anyone who thinks Martin is a good replacement for Jake Long watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAPYokt2Npc
    Do you remember what John Abraham did to Jake Long? Julius Peppers?

    It's one play. Jonathan Martin handled himself well when Jake went down. Your arguing to pay an aged, injured left tackle elite money, and on a team that's currently purging its roster, that makes no sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fanfin View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAPYokt2Npc

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    anyone who thinks Martin is a good replacement for Jake Long watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAPYokt2Npc
    Anyone who thinks Jake long is still an elite LT, watch this video:




    Actually, you're right - based on these two videos, I think Martin is a perfect replacement for Jake!
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    Quote Originally Posted by antillj94 View Post
    He's a perennial Pro Bowler because he's a fan favorite, not because he's been playing like a Pro Bowler. His play has reduced considerably over the last two years, and he doesn't fit our scheme. The OP stated that despite the scheme change, we should keep him. WHY? Those $10 million could go to Mike Wallace, Randy Starks, Sean Smith (hopefully not), or Brian Hartline. If he doesn't fit our scheme AND he's playing like crap, why keep him? As far as I see it, he got lucky with that fat contract we handed him as a rookie and he's squeezed every penny out of Ross' pocket while playing like an extremely average tackle.

    Don't get me wrong, he WAS elite for a few years, but he's a shell of his former self.
    He's a perennial pro bowler because on his "worst" year he was still a "very good" LT and in his best years up there with Joe Thomas that's why the fans put him there. http://www.thephinsider.com/2013/2/4...trench-warfare
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrEd View Post
    He's a perennial pro bowler because on his "worst" year he was still a "very good" LT and in his best years up there with Joe Thomas that's why the fans put him there. http://www.thephinsider.com/2013/2/4...trench-warfare
    I got a different link.
    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...phins-week-12/

    A Long Year
    When youíre in a contract year you want to put your best foot forward. Unfortunately, thatís not proving to be the case for Jake Long (-1.3) who really isnít looking like the player he once wasÖ at least not consistently. That doesnít make him a bad player, but for a guy who was arguably the best left tackle in the league in 2010, that may not translate to a deal the likes of which Joe Thomas received. Against Seattle, Long was fine in the run game, but he gave up a sack, hit, and four hurries as Chris Clemons went to work on him. The spin move Long was beaten by with 5:56 to go in first was a reminder of how far he has fallen from the nearly unbeatable player he once was.
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    Jake Long, Miami Dolphins
    After being a dominant performer for the first four years of his career, after he was drafted with the first overall pick in 2008, Long has looked very ordinary so far this season. Playing every single offensive snap, Long has an overall grade of -2.0, including a putrid -5.5 performance this past week against the Colts. Further hurting his value, the Dolphins have signaled that they likely intend to let him go, especially after drafting Jonathan Martin, who primarily played left tackle at Stanford. Long wants to get paid like Joe Thomas, and will likely get a nice contract after his fine play for the past four years. The big question is will teams hesitate if he continues to underperform down the stretch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fanfin View Post
    why everyone wants Jake Long to leave. His play has suffered due to injuries and schematic changes but he is still a top 10 LT in the league and those guys don't grow on trees. Some of you talk worse about him than Marc Colombo! He is asking for 10M$ per season which isn't exactly breaking the bank. All we are doing by letting him go is creating ANOTHER need. If we cut Carpenter and either Richard Marshall or Dmitri Patterson we will have around 55 million in salary cap space! Why not spend 10 of that on Jake and we still have 45 million left for Greg Jennings, a TE, and a CB like Derek Cox
    I love Jake, I blame Sparano for everything wrong lol, I don't blame Jake.
    But he isn't trending upwards, or even plateauing, he's steamrolling downhill with these injuries.
    When was the last time he even finished the year for us, if we envision us being contenders, what's the point if he's not even in the playoffs with us?

    I don't know, I'm not completely for or against re-signing him. I would be all for re-signing him, but at my price.
    And I'm not saying to be cut-throat cheap with him, but imho there will be maybe one or two teams that will make him an offer that will be astronomically more than what I would be willing to do.
    And I'm pretty sure he will take that offer. So I wouldn't say I Want him to leave.
    It'll come down to dollars, as it usually does unfortunately, and he will take the highest offer.

    My question to you is, do you think we should be the team with the Highest offer to Jake? Out of the entire NFL, do you think we should outbid every other team for Jake? Or do you want to tag him?
    I absolutely would not sign him long term-10 mil/yr.
    I could maybe franchise him, I don't know what that hit would be, but even then it would only be if we had cap space left over that wasn't going to be used.
    And I don't anticipate or don't want us having cap space left over lol, so Jake is just lower on the priority imo.
    A lot of it has to do with J. Martin. I think he can anchor there as long as he continues to strengthen up. That's really his only problem imho, everything else is pretty good.

    It's really tragic, this continuing story of Jake Long. It's always tough when injuries are completely to blame for a players fall from grace.
    ****ing Sparano, biased or not, I don't think I'll ever forgive him for what he did.
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    i watched the oakland game last watching long. he got abused by shaunessy on two plays in pass pro. he aslo kicked ass blocking and opened up holes for bush's biggest game of the year.

    you cant argue his play slipped because it did. you can argue that new scheme and snap count affected him as much as the injuries.

    but for every play hegot abused, i could dig out ten more where he not only pancakes a guy, but he then hits the second guy.

    I also think that anyone banking on martin at LT after 3 games should think longer and harder.

    If Eric Fisher is there at 12, you take him if Long not resigned. Take Johnson too. Lt is tough to find for cheaper money.
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    The reality is, whether you want to blame injuries, or coaching, or scheme, or motivation, Long has basically regressed every year since he's been here. I see nothing to indicate a change in that pattern. Also, using the Parcells team building philosophy, we have overspent and overdrafted along the o-line for years, and guess what? 7-9.

    The use of assets and cap space on the o-line at the expense of playmakers (i.e., people that actually touch the ball), has been proven to be ineffective, and Long has steadily declined in both his play and physical health. The team did no worse without him. Why on earth would we continue to throw good money after bad?
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    Aldon Smith is perhaps the best LB in the game. Not many OL's can block him. Expecting a rookie RT to block him? not me
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