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    Ireland mentioned 2 players he expects to burst on to the scene: Miller and Matthews

    You know with this new news that Ireland has been behind the scenes working on re-signing Hartline and Clemons and this suddenly brings out something we've kind of disregarded or gave oversight to...

    Remember that Senior Bowl interview with Jeff Ireland? Anyone recall after him mentioning seeking playmakers and adding "speed" and when they tried to gauge which specific positions he was targeting and Ireland among a few said "slot guys"?

    Recall that recent Finsiders interview where Ireland was asked about which players Ireland expected to "burst out" in 2013 and he answered the question with "two" names. We've focused on his mention of Miller to signify that Bush is out the door...

    But we've left out that he also mentioned a "second" guy he expected to likewise burst out on to the scene. And that player he mentioned was Rishard Matthews.

    With this news breaking out that Miami has been behind the scenes working on re-signing Brian Hartline and Chris Clemons, could this likewise be signifying that Bess, who is not only due to count $4mil against the cap and on the last year of his contract to top it all off, is likewise on his way out the door, too?

    Could Miami add a Mike Wallace to start opposite Hartline and use a 2nd round pick on a Tavon Austin to replace Bess in the slot to provide more of a speedy playmaker at slot receiver? Then maybe round things out with say an Aaron Dobson in the 3rd to groom under Hartline's wing? Hmm...
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    Ok you had all the pieces put together, but then it all fell apart when you suggested we draft 2 other receivers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrEd View Post
    You know with this new news that Ireland has been behind the scenes working on re-signing Hartline and Clemons and this suddenly brings out something we've kind of disregarded or gave oversight to...

    Remember that Senior Bowl interview with Jeff Ireland? Anyone recall after him mentioning seeking playmakers and adding "speed" and when they tried to gauge which specific positions he was targeting and Ireland among a few said "slot guys"?

    Recall that recent Finsiders interview where Ireland was asked about which players Ireland expected to "burst out" in 2013 and he answered the question with "two" names. We've focused on his mention of Miller to signify that Bush is out the door...

    But we've left out that he also mentioned a "second" guy he expected to likewise burst out on to the scene. And that player he mentioned was Rishard Matthews.

    With this news breaking out that Miami has been behind the scenes working on re-signing Brian Hartline and Chris Clemons, could this likewise be signifying that Bess, who is not only due to count $4mil against the cap and on the last year of his contract to top it all off, is likewise on his way out the door, too?

    Could Miami add a Mike Wallace to start opposite Hartline and use a 2nd round pick on a Tavon Austin to replace Bess in the slot to provide more of a speedy playmaker at slot receiver? Then maybe round things out with say an Aaron Dobson in the 3rd to groom under Hartline's wing? Hmm...
    Exciting possibility...although i do love Davone Bess. I have to believe he has solid trade value. I think in the right system he'd be better than Wes Welker.
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    If we ditch Bess, why not trade one of those second rounders to get Percy Harvin and put him in the slot. Harvin has practically the best ratio of catches to drops amd is the dynamic player we need...even on special teams returns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dagger151 View Post
    If we ditch Bess, why not trade one of those second rounders to get Percy Harvin and put him in the slot. Harvin has practically the best ratio of catches to drops amd is the dynamic player we need...even on special teams returns.
    if we add percy we still need a number one outside WR. we would almost be in the same position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by finfantrigg View Post
    if we add percy we still need a number one outside WR. we would almost be in the same position.
    No, because we would still pursue Jennings...let B-Hart walk and use that money from Hart and Reggie to extend Percy.....then draft another seem threat in draft
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcsupratt View Post
    No, because we would still pursue Jennings...let B-Hart walk and use that money from Hart and Reggie to extend Percy.....then draft another seem threat in draft
    oh ok, i thought you wanted to keep hartline as well, well if thats the case then I'm down no doubt
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    Those players have some nice traits. And then you'll see why they were third day picks. Try to win pivotal games with third day picks featured in the skill positions and I know what the likelihood is.

    I'm sure we'll be bombarded with exceptions. Message boards are flooded with guys who scramble to find exceptions. Other than no value, it's a great hobby.

    Ten point favorites sometimes lose by 20. But line them up and eventually it's a 4/1 success rate. Never varies much. Same holds true for every range. I realize I reference odds too much but it's what I know, and often it applies. Jeff Ireland seems to want to believe he's 10-20% better than the competition or the norm, that he can pay on the cheap and locate gems down the road. I suspect, and evidence shows, that he's very close to average. His fourth round picks will balance out to fourth round return, and so forth. Who really cares if he's touting Lamar Miller and Rishard Matthews to explode far beyond where they were taken? It's the same point I've made with the stadium. Tout a patchwork all you want but it's still a patchwork, with the fundamentals largely unchanged.

    I can relate because I've been stupid and arrogant often enough. In the '90s and into the early '00s I had great success in ripping early quarterback picks. On a Las Vegas radio show on KDWN where I was frequent guest handicapper and draft analyst I hated on Tim Couch in particular, but also on Andre Ware and David Klingler and Akili Smith. The problem is, once you succeed using a certain approach you assume it will repeat. I wasn't paying nearly as much attention to players as I had previously, but thought I could quickly look at a quarterback and assert he'd fail to live up to expectations. And I've been wrong time and again. I remember I didn't particularly like Joe Flacco. I didn't really know anything about Joe Flacco, other than he transferred in college and didn't fit my preferred resume. The wisdom of the crowd has tremendous value. That's what I'm saying. There must have been a reason Player X went mid first round and Player Y lasted until the fourth. You may beat the field by a few percent but not consistently, and not dramatically higher than that.

    We need to hit on the premium picks. Skill position, preferably. Tannehill, maybe. At least there's danger from him, even if he's not close to Flacco in terms of varying pace and loft to fit the evolving needs of the play. Jonathan Martin has lower athletic ability than an early second rounder should feature. We can't continue to make that type of mistake.
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    Harvin scores tds. Bess and Hartline don't. Your improving your playmaking ability by many more scoring opportunities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dagger151 View Post
    If we ditch Bess, why not trade one of those second rounders to get Percy Harvin and put him in the slot. Harvin has practically the best ratio of catches to drops amd is the dynamic player we need...even on special teams returns.
    Wake up from lala land and snap back to reality. There is no way the Fins are trading for Harvin. Philben already had Ireland trade Marshall and Davis because they were head cases and malcontents on and off of the field, and "me" first players. There is no way he signs off on trading for the exact same thing he is trying to rid the franchise of.
    When I die I want to hire the Miami Dolphin's to be my pallbearers so they can let me down one last time.

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