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Thread: Slimm's 2014 Seniors

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    Coach Burns would be correct. Dennis Johnson and Knile Davis were fumbling all over the place while Cobi Hamilton was dropping passes that hit him right in the hands. Like I said, Mitchell has always intrigued me as an athlete, although not at quarterback. I'd like to see what he could do at H-back.
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    It's more of an observation in numbers of QBs that transfer don't normally succeed in getting drafted into the NFL. I did mention Russell Wilson in the first paragraph as one of the eight QBs drafted since 2006.
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    Really good call on the tailbacks being upside down as far as non-traditional sources of talent leading the way with guys like Zurlon Tipton and Antonio Andrews. I've just been doing a lot of work on tailbacks in this draft and I couldn't agree more. Tipton looks like he could be the very best of the class because he's so physically blessed in addition to being a sudden, instinctive runner. And he also blocks, which is a nice bonus. Antonio Andrews to me was trained under Willie Taggart who was himself an excellent RBs Coach and knows what he's looking for in a tailback, and everything about what he does screams pro level instincts and north-south ability. Plus when you really superimpose these guys' tape up against one another, I believe Andrews is moving at a really high pace. These two tailbacks are two of the very best in the class but they're not going to be recognized next to guys like Silas Redd, Ladarius Perkins and Damien Williams for now, because of where they play.

    However, it's hard for me to fathom how QB Tyler Russell isn't even on your list. I just don't agree with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    Really good call on the tailbacks being upside down as far as non-traditional sources of talent leading the way with guys like Zurlon Tipton and Antonio Andrews. I've just been doing a lot of work on tailbacks in this draft and I couldn't agree more. Tipton looks like he could be the very best of the class because he's so physically blessed in addition to being a sudden, instinctive runner. And he also blocks, which is a nice bonus. Antonio Andrews to me was trained under Willie Taggart who was himself an excellent RBs Coach and knows what he's looking for in a tailback, and everything about what he does screams pro level instincts and north-south ability. Plus when you really superimpose these guys' tape up against one another, I believe Andrews is moving at a really high pace. These two tailbacks are two of the very best in the class but they're not going to be recognized next to guys like Silas Redd, Ladarius Perkins and Damien Williams for now, because of where they play.

    However, it's hard for me to fathom how QB Tyler Russell isn't even on your list. I just don't agree with that.


    Tyler Russell is going to have to earn his way back into tier 3, because that's as high as he can climb. I like the football IQ and competitiveness of the quarterbacks I listed better. It's really that simple.

    There's a reason why State went 1-5 down the stretch to end the season, and it started with Russell. He looks like a quality mid-round quarterback some of the time... some of the time he looks like he doesn't belong as a starter in a BCS conference. I think his accuracy needs work. Most of all, I don't trust his football IQ. I don't think he's a student of the game. Quarterbacks who prepare don't play the way I've seen him play.

    Russell is certainly more of a prototypical quarterback prospect than a kid like Tyler Tettleton, for example.... but at this point I like the little things Tettleton does better despite the size advantage Tyler Russell has.
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    Well I may not change your mind on Tyler Russell but at least I see you've now got Aaron Donald in Tier 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    Well I may not change your mind on Tyler Russell but at least I see you've now got Aaron Donald in Tier 1.

    He was always going to be in Tier 1 in terms of the Senior class of DT's in this draft.

    If you look at the competition, most of the Senior class of DT's are short anyway. The few that have more prototypical size (Hageman and Coleman) don't produce the way Donald does. Hageman has weaknesses that he needs to shore up in his run defense. If he shows me that this year, he'll push some of the others down.

    When I look at Sutton, Donald, Derrick Hopkins, and Khyri Thornton.... which are 4 of the better DT's in the Senior class in my opinion.... Thornton is the only one that's even 6'1"+ It's a short class of defensive tackles.

    Also, keep in mind that Tier 1 here I have graded as 2nd/3rd round picks. The gap between Tier 1 and Tier 2 is pretty small here on my board, and Nix won't play DT in the NFL. This hurts his grade more than anything else. Like I said, I'll bet anything you're willing to wager that he's as talented as Aaron Donald as far as that goes.

    In other words, you didn't change my mind on Aaron Donald either. He's a kid that's been on my underrated underclassman thread since he finished his sophomore season.
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    This is worth noting. Brandon Mitchell has chosen his destination for transfer. He's transferring to North Carolina State.

    The coaching staff there are the guys that coached Chandler Harnish and Jordan Lynch, both of whom hurt defenses with their feet as much as with their arm. NC State has been going hard after guys that can run and throw, and potentially play right away in 2013. They made a hard push for Asiantii Woulard when he de-committed from USF (for the second time) after Skip Holtz was fired. They secured the transfer of Gators backup and dual threat player Jacoby Brissett who has to sit out 2013. When Tyler Ferguson edged out Steven Bench at Penn State in the spring, which prompted Bill O'Brien to announce that the official QB competition would be between Ferguson and freshman Christian Hackenberg (once Hackenberg reports), Steven Bench announced his intention to transfer and NC State was one of the first teams to come calling. Bench is another guy who knows how to run and throw on the run. When Brandon Mitchell announced his intentions to transfer after coaches refused to declare a starter during spring, again NC State was the first one to come after him. This is the kind of player they want. All they have is Colorado State transfer Pete Thomas, and that's not the kind of player they want. I also think there's a fair chance Mitchell is flat out better than Thomas. Looks to me like Mitchell will be the bridge to Jacoby Brissett who will compete to be the future there.

    I look forward to seeing Mitchell play at NC State for a number of reasons. First off, I don't think he's run his course at QB yet. I don't think that position is totally out of the question at all. This will be his chance to finally prove it, if he can. He's extremely raw but the physical gifts are there, more so than they were for B.J. Daniels who was drafted by San Francisco in the 7th round. He's 6'4" and 239 lbs (the weight figure is a number he himself quoted a week or so ago), and he runs in the 4.5's, has a strong and fairly accurate arm (no the refinements such as consistent ball placement are not there but that doesn't mean he's scatter shot by any means), and his execution and timing as a quarterback are not as poor as people think. This is an offense that will be tailor made for his skill set, and it's a skill set certain teams in the NFL are really looking for because it's being popularized by the likes of Newton, Kaepernick, Griffin and Wilson. Alex Smith will also be running some of that stuff and now the Dolphins want to get their chips in the game with Ryan Tannehill the former wide receiver. If Jake Locker ever pans out he's another guy that will hurt with his legs as much as his arm, and Christian Ponder has that potential as well. As does Andrew Luck, who already ran for 300 yards and 5 TDs in 2012. Aaron Rodgers has been hurting teams with his legs for years. This is the way teams are going and with the pure combination of abilities, if Brandon Mitchell puts together the right season he could be looking at a mid to late draft pick even as a quarterback. If guys like B.J. Daniels, Tyrod Taylor, Josh Johnson, Tyler Thigpen, Dennis Dixon and Joe Webb can get looks, there's no reason Brandon Mitchell can't.

    But this is a positive for him even as a wide receiver prospect. Had he stayed at Arkansas and moved back to the position again, he'd have once again been perhaps the 3rd or 4th wide receiver option on the team. Even though the coach brought it up in conversations with Mitchell, Arkansas wasn't ready to move him back to WR yet. They were going to have him compete through the summer for the QB job, though the situation was obviously looking grim hence the transfer. That means he'd have been another late switch to receiver and he wouldn't have been a starter. Last year he had 17 catches. The #2 WR on Wisconsin this year got 27 catches, and that was Jacob Pederson the tight end. The #3 option got 17 catches. If Mitchell was the #3 option again, he gets another 20 film looks of him with the football in his hands, and maybe 10 or 12 of those film reps would be out in space where he can do something to show what kind of run after catch player he can be. What good is that few reps going to do his draft stock as a receiver? Not much.

    Last year, Jordan Lynch at Northern Illinois carried the football 294 times and threw another 394 passes. The year before, Chandler Harnish threw 384 passes and had 194 runs. This will be an infinitely better opportunity for Brandon Mitchell to increase his draft stock even as a wide receiver or tight end prospect. You will have upwards of 600 film reps of him with the football in his hands, seeing the field, showing his field awareness, making defenders miss, running for yardage, showing how quickly he thinks, how elusive he is, how fast and big and strong and physical he is, etc. I'll take that any day over another 20 catches where MIGHT get the chance to make an impressive play on maybe 10 or 12 of them.
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    It'll be interesting to see if he can unseat Pete Thomas as the starter. Thomas made tier 3 of my underclassman quarterbacks based off his film at Colorado St. There's still a lot of upside there.

    Mitchell might be more of what they're looking for to run that particular offense. I watched N.C. State's spring game and while Thomas looked decent, the offense struggled with the no-huddle and extremely fast tempo that the coaches are trying to install.
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    That particular aspect might not get much help from Mitchell if it's true that the primary reason he was still behind in the battle at Arkansas was his not mastering the offense. But then, we don't know if that's really what it was.

    I would definitely think the coaching staff that made Chandler Harnish and Jordan Lynch their own team's leading rushers in addition to leading passers...would steer toward the dual threat Mitchell over Pete Thomas. Between Asiantii Woulard, Jacoby Brissett, Steven Bench and Brandon Mitchell...it's pretty clear what they're going for. Even though Bench is not a guy that is athletic enough for a position switch like Woulard, Brissett or Mitchell, he's still like a Chandler Harnish in terms of his ability to run and throw on the run. It's what stands out about him the most.
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    Surprising transfer. He's a redshirt senior so I'm guessing he has graduated & will eligible to play wherever he decides to transfer too. Just me trying to place him but UCLA has a gaping hole at RB left by Johnathan Franklin's departure & Sims' skill set would seem to fit a need there.

    Houston senior RB Charles Sims will transfer, according to Rob Sellers of Rivals.
    Sims is an extremely talented runner and was poised for a great final season, so this news comes as a surprise. He led Houston with 851 rushing yards and 11 rushing touchdowns to go along with 37 receptions for 373 yards and three touchdowns. Sims will certainly have plenty of options in terms of landing spots.
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