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    Quote Originally Posted by phins_4_ever View Post
    bla bla bla....

    Employers have an additional cost of an average of approx 25% - 30%. It largely depends on what kind of benefits they have and/or offer. So you are looking at roughly $50 more per dollar pay raise. If our resident 'Joe the Plumber' is actually offering any benefits. Without any benefit plan the extra cost are somewhere around 10-15% (depending on State and your UI rate). My point stands: if you can't afford a couple hundred dollars extra you may want to rethink your business strategy.

    This whole "increase of the minimum wage is killing jobs or job growth" is the same crap as "if we tax our job creators a couple percent more it will kill jobs, reduces investment etc".

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    That's not what the poster said.
    You just can't reach some people. That's usually because they've fallen under the false notion that economics only work on face value. They ignore everything that adds up in front of and behind that number they focus on.

    In other words, its always easier to be free with someone elses money. You run a business and get paid according to the profits and losses after all the other BS, then tell me how little something is.
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    - raising the minimum wage has had no impact on the number of people who are employed


    - Washington restaurants now are operating on three fewer employees per location than they did before the wage rates were adjusted upward
    - Minimum-wage jobs for teens dropped.
    - Minimum-wage increases compressed the wage scale at restaurants
    - Higher wages ultimately are reflected in higher prices to consumers

    Businesses need to earn $4 in additional revenue for every $1 of additional wages

    It doesn’t make sense to invest in Washington’s current business climate

    Washington restaurant owners balancing better wages with business reality

    Since President Barack Obama proposed in his State of the Union address two weeks ago an increase in the federal minimum wage rate from $7.25 to $9 an hour by 2015, a spirited debate has emerged.

    Some say an increase will finally give minimum-wage workers nearly a living wage, making them less dependent on government.
    Others argue a mandatory wage increase will stifle business growth, eliminate jobs now available for low-skill, entry-level workers and raise consumer prices.

    For Washington workers and businesses, that discussion has brought on a strong sense of déj vu.

    Washington’s minimum wage, $9.19 an hour, the nation’s highest, is already more than the president’s target for 2015. And the state has seen its minimum wage increased yearly based on rising living costs – just as the president is proposing – for more than a dozen years now.

    “It’s interesting to see those same arguments that we saw in 1998 re-emerging on a national scale again,” said Anthony Anton, president of the Olympia-based Washington Restaurant Association. That’s the year that Washington voters overwhelmingly passed Initiative 688, a measure that raised the state’s minimum wage from $4.90 to $5.70 in 1999 and to $6.50 an hour on Jan. 1, 2000. In subsequent years, the initiative provided that the wage would be adjusted upward in step with inflation.

    Nationwide, restaurants are the largest employers of minimum-wage workers.

    Anton said Washington’s experience could be instructive to those now loudly predicting what could happen if the national minimum wage is increased.

    “We’ve learned what did happen and what did not,” said Anton.

    From the standpoint of the labor groups who backed the initiative, the results have been overwhelmingly positive.

    “I’ve looked at lots of research on our minimum wage,” said Lynne Dodson, secretary-treasurer of the Washington State Labor Council, “and the overwhelming evidence is that raising the minimum wage here has had no impact on the number of people who are employed.”

    “While minimum-wage jobs still aren’t what we call ‘family wage jobs,’ at least people with those jobs in Washington are better off than their peers in other states when it comes to buying the basic necessities,” said Dodson. “They’re out there in the economy spending that money every day at businesses in Washington.”

    Indeed, there’s no doubt that the Washington law is putting more money in the hands of entry-level workers.

    • Total compensation for minimum-wage workers increased.

    If those workers in other states making $7.25 an hour were suddenly to be paid Washington’s $9.19 an hour, then their yearly compensation for full-time work would rise from $15,080 to $19,115, a $4,035 difference.

    But some employers, particularly the restaurant industry, say the initiative has changed the finances of business in the Evergreen State.

    • Money available to restaurant owners or other business people employing minimum wage workers and their customers decreased. The money has to come from somewhere, either from cutbacks or efficiencies at the business or from customers paying higher prices.

    Finding that extra money, said Anton, caused a bit of chaos in the industry for the first two years as restaurants scrambled to find new sources of income or to become leaner and more cost-effective, cutting back on expansion or staff.

    • Minimum-wage worker employment declined on a per restaurant basis.

    Washington restaurants now are operating on three fewer employees per location than they did before the wage rates were adjusted upward, said the restaurant association president.

    Jas Sangha, the owner of three Wendy’s fast food restaurants in University Place, Chehalis and Centralia, said he bought new dishwashing equipment to cut down labor costs and carefully trimmed staffing to match staff with demand.

    Anton said some restaurants have eliminated kitchen prep work they formerly did themselves and substituted prepackaged foods. Some restaurants no longer prepare salads from individual vegetables, electing instead to buy prepared mixtures of greens.

    “When I was growing up in the restaurant business, we made all of our own salad dressings,” he said. “Now a restaurant may make just its signature dressing and buy the others already made.”

    • Minimum-wage jobs for teens dropped.

    “We now employ about half the number of teens we used to in the restaurant industry,” said Anton. Restaurant proprietors now tend to hire older, more experienced workers instead. Restaurant owners don’t have the luxury of employing teens who need extensive training or who haven’t developed good work habits that make them reliable employees.

    “That’s a shame, because the industry is where a lot of Americans learned about work,” said the restaurant association president.
    • Minimum-wage increases compressed the wage scale at restaurants.

    “There’s just less money available to reward the cooks and the managers,” said Jeff Iverson, president of Lakewood-based Ram Restaurants, which has 30 restaurants in the Northwest and other states.

    Cooks used to make significantly more than waiters, but that difference has narrowed as available funds are used to fund the yearly minimum-wage escalations. Waiters don’t have as much monetary incentive to seek promotion to management, said restaurant owners because of the rising minimum wages and how Washington treats tip income.

    The Evergreen State is one of seven states that doesn’t treat tip income as an offset against the minimum wage. Anton said association figures show that the average income for a waiter in Washington is about $24 an hour, $9.19 from the minimum wage the restaurant owners must pay its workers plus the average hourly tip total of $15.

    Bob Casey, general manager at Tacoma’s Harmon Brewing Co., said the higher minimum wages exert upward pressure on the whole wage scale.

    • Higher wages ultimately are reflected in higher prices to consumers.

    Most restaurants have resisted raising menu prices, because of the sour economy and economic pressures affecting customers, said restaurant owners. But when there are no more efficiencies to implement, prices inevitably jump.

    Adam Adrian, owner of four Olympia-area restaurants, Ramblin’ Jacks, Rib Eye, i.talia and Mercato, said the yearly minimum-wage increases have become part of the routine.

    “I’ll be totally honest with you,” said Adrian. “We know it’s coming. We look at our costs and make corrections.” In many cases, he said, that means upward adjustments of menu prices.

    Some franchise restaurants are caught between those rising wage rates and prices that are dictated by the chain. Sangha, the Wendy’s franchise owner, said some prices such as the fast food chain’s value items are advertised nationally, and the franchise owner has no latitude to raise them.

    Iverson, Ram International president, said he sees the minimum wage law as a kind of government-mandated inflation. Higher wages translate to higher prices, he said.

    “If wage increases cost us, say, an additional $150,000, the rule of thumb says we have to generate about $600,000 in new income to pay them,” he said.

    Customers, he said, are well aware of price increases.

    “They’re awfully sensitive, and I don’t blame them,” he said.

    With the economy still limping, price increases can drive customers away, he said.

    Years ago the industry might adjust prices only every three to four years, said Anton. Now, its not uncommon to raise prices twice a year. Some restaurants adjust those prices quarterly.

    The growing minimum wage in Washington has put pressure on restaurants’ bottom lines, but it has not, as some prophets had feared, decreased the number of restaurants in the state, said the restaurant association president.

    But the yearly increases have changed the basic financial facts of life in the Washington restaurant business.

    “It has altered what used to be the general rule in the business that 33 percent of a restaurant’s cost is food, 33 percent is payroll, and 30 percent is overhead leaving four percent for margin,” said Anton. “Now it’s 36 percent for labor, 30 percent for food, 30 percent for everything else, and, if you’re lucky. 4 percent for margin.”

    Sangha worries what will happen in future years as wage growth picks up speed. Most restaurant owners, he said, have already cut staff and deployed more efficient methods to their limit. They’re running out of tricks to handle the financial pressures.

    Already, he said, he sees that squeeze affecting his ability to create more jobs.

    Wendy’s has a new breakfast menu it is asking franchise owners to roll out. But at Washington wage rates, said the Wendy’s franchise owner, the revenue from breakfast won’t justify the expense of four or five more employees needed to produce it.

    Likewise, he said, he’s passing up expansion opportunities because his profit margins have been shaved.

    “I own a nice piece of land in front of a Walmart in Othello, but I don’t think it makes sense now to make the investment to open a new store,” he said.
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