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    ChambersWI Pre-Combine Mock Draft

    Since it's Valentine's Day I thought of calling this the Mock of Love, but felt that name alone would get this thread negatively repped. I'm gonna do a first round mock for everybody and 3 rounds for Miami. Comments are not only welcomed but encouraged as I love debate. Here we go.

    1.Kansas City Chiefs- Geno Smith QB, West Virginia A lot of the talk right now nationally is how there is no QB worth the top 10 pick. Well, the talk is not like that in KC. All anybody can talk about right now over there is Geno Smith, and rumors are that Andy Reid thinks Geno is the perfect QB for his system. Things can change, especially if Reid decides to trade for Alex Smith or Kevin Kolb but until then, Geno is still the guy.

    2.Jacksonville Jaguars-Bjorn Werner DE, Florida State The Jaguars need one thing badly; pass rush. Technically they need a lot of things overall, but pass rush is probably the biggest. Reports are that the Jags are willing to give Blaine Gabbert one more year to prove he isn't worthless so QB is out for now. Werner is arguably the top DE in the draft.

    3.Oakland Raiders-Star Lotulelei DT, Utah Now don't laugh at what I'm about to say, but the Raiders are not THAT far way from being competitive. By far the biggest weakness on the team is DL, more specifically DT. Star is the best all around DT in the draft and, while not as good as Haloti Ngata was coming out of school, as a lot of the same qualities. Star also makes sense if Oakland does decide to switch to a 3-4 as it is rumored.

    4.Philadelphia Eagles- Luke Joeckel OT, Texas A&M This is the one pick almost everybody seems to be in agreement on. I will throw this out there though, if Oakland doesn't take Star Lotulelei don't be surprised if the Eagles do as they are switching to a 3-4 themselves.

    5.Detroit Lions-Damontre Moore DE, Texas A&M The Lions pick, to me, comes down to Moore or Dee Milner. While Detroit could use an upgrade at CB I went with the DE for a couple reasons. One, Detroit had no pass rush on the outside last year. Two, as of right now Detroit has 1 DE under contract (Ronnell Lewis) and it doesn't sound like they have much interest in giving Cliff Avril the deal he wants or investing much in Lawrence Jackson. Add that to the fact that they already cut Kyle Vanden Bosch and Moore makes sense.

    6.Cleveland Browns- Ezekial Ansah DE, BYU I personally feel like this is a reach, but rumors out of Cleveland are that Mike Lombardi is in love with Ansah. Either way, the Browns need help getting to the QB as their leading sack man (Jabaal Sheard) had 7 and Jaquai Thomas (6) is 35 years old. Plus, Ansah is gonna shoot up the board after the combine. I just hope we aren't the ones taking him (Just too much of a project for me)

    7.Arizona Cardinals-Eric Fisher OT, Central Michigan In a perfect world, the Cardinals would be able to get Luke Joeckel (which very easily could happen). Again, there are some rumblings about taking a QB, but rumors are Bruce Arians isn't overly impressed with any in the top 10. The Cardinals cannot go without getting a LT though. I know some joke about LTs here cause of Jake's struggles, but Arizona is proof what can happen if you don't take the position seriously.

    8.Buffalo Bills-Matt Barkley QB, USC It's no secret that Buffalo plans on taking a QB early in the draft. Whether it's round 1 or not remains the question. Reports are Matt Barkley, Tyler Wilson, and (sigh) Mike Glennon will all be given a look. With the offense Doug Marrone is bringing to Buffalo though, Barkley makes the most sense, and (if he plays to his potential) could be the best QB in the class.

    9.New York Jets- Barkevious Mingo- OLB/DE, LSU The Jets haven't had a dominant pass rusher since John Abraham left and they do need to get a pass rush specialist. I don't care what kind of blitzes you run, if you don't have a guy who can get to the QB, you aren't scaring people with the blitz. Rumors are the Jets are one of the teams that like Ansah a lot.

    10.Tennessee Titans-Dee Milner CB, Alabama The draft could not work out better for the Titans if things fell this way. They have nothing at CB so getting the best one in the draft is a huge step up.

    11.San Diego Chargers-Johnthan Banks CB, Mississippi State Antoine Cason and Quinton Jammer are both free agents, and even if they resign both, Jammer will be 34 at the start of the 2013 season. The Chargers can go a couple directions.

    12.Miami Dolphins- Cordarrelle Patterson WR, Tennessee Yes for our fins, I am joining in on the current Patterson kick everybody has been on. Truth be told, he's gonna test out very well and also interview well. He also has the most potential to be a true number 1 WR. Even if we sign a Greg Jennings, weapons are a necessity.

    13.Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Shariff Floyd DT, Florida Gerald McCoy has developed into one of the best DTs in the game and the Bucs had the best run defense in the league so why a DT? Roy Miller is gonna be a free agent and the Bucs really aren't deep in the middle of the defense. Shariff Floyd is gonna climb up the draft boards as time goes on. Also watch for CB here.

    14.Carolina Panthers-Johnathan Hankins DT, Ohio State Had Luke Kuechley not been available, Carolina would have taken Fletcher Cox. 2 years ago Carolina drafted a DT in the 2nd and 3rd round of the draft. One was cut, the other is buried on the depth chart behind Ron and Dwan Edwards (and might be cut). I give Hankins the edge over Sheldon Richardson because of Richardson's baggage.

    15.New Orleans Saints- Dion Jordan DE/OLB, Oregon The Saints are switching to a 3-4, meaning they need to make a lot of investments on the defensive side. If Hankins isn't taken before this pick, the investment in NT would be wise. They do need OLBs though as their best DEs (Will Smith and Cam Jordan) project more to 3-4 DEs than OLBs.

    16.St. Louis Rams-Chance Warmack OG, Alabama Word is Jeff Fisher wants to invest heavily in the OL. Warmack may be the best guard prospect in awhile (though with DeCastro that's up for debate) and he fits in well with the Rams offense.

    17.Pittsburgh Steelers-Jarvis Jones LB, Georgia If Jones falls like many are predicting, the Steelers won't hesitate to take him. With James Harrison getting older, and Lamar Woodley battling injuries the last 2 years, another OLB is high on the priority list. The fact that Jason Worlids has been useless for the Steelers makes Jones an even bigger hit for the Steal City.

    18.Dallas Cowboys- Sheldon Richardson DT, Missouri The Cowboys are switching to a 4-3, and with the hirings of Lane Kiffin and Rod Marinelli, the Tampa 2 teams likely meaning a penetrating DT will be high on the priority list. Richardson is the best on the board.

    19.New York Giants- Alec Oggletree ILB, Georgia The Giants have a couple holes in that defense, but LB is a big one. Keith Rivers and Chase Blackburn are both free agents, but neither is a huge playmaker if resigned.

    20.Chicago Bears-Zack Ertz TE, Stanford How can the Bears ignore OT again? When they desperately need a TE and you have 2 athletic ones staring you right in the face. Mike Martz foolishly convinced the Bears to trade Greg Olsen before the start of the 2011 season. The Bears have missed a threat in the center of the field since. With Kellen Davis and Matt Spaeth you have 2 TEs that are decent blockers that can somewhat help the OL, but neither is a threat down the field.

    21.Cincinnati Bengals- Manti Te'o LB, Notre Dame It's been a rough month for Manti, but for whatever question marks he has, the Bengals are one team that will take a chance on him, and there is need at LB. Vontez Burfict was a nice UDFA pickup for the Bengals, but Manny Lawson is gonna be a FA and Rey Mauluga has had 2 poor seasons in a row.

    22.St. Louis Rams- Keenan Allen WR, California Chris Givens showed himself to be a nice deep threat as a rookie, and Danny Almendola (when healthy) is one of the top slot WRs in the game. The Rams still need to get Sam Bradford that go to WR. Allen easily could be that guy.

    23. Minnesota Vikings- DeAndre Hopkins WR, Clemson Hopkins may test out better than any other WR in the draft. The Vikings desperately needed to get more weapons in the passing game. That desperation becomes more evident now that the team wants nothing to do with Percy Harvin.

    24.Indianapolis Colts- Jonathan Cooper OG, North Carolina Andrew Luck was pretty much everything the Colts could have wanted and a little more, but he was constantly facing pressure. Mike McGlynn, the RG, gave up the most sacks with 4. Cooper also is a good fit in new OC Pep Hamilton's offense.

    25.Seattle Seahawks- Alex Okafor DE, Texas Bruce Irvin was drafted early last year to be the 3rd down pass rush specialist and rewarded Seattle's faith in him with a 10 sack season, but he's not an every down DE.. Chris Clemmons has been great since being traded to Seattle but he tore his ACL in the playoffs and there's no telling when he'll be back. Getting an everydown DE is crucial for Seattle.

    26.Green Bay Packers- Tyler Eifert TE, Notre Dame It's looking more and more likely that Jermichael Finley will not be a Green Bay Packer in 2013. The Packers won't complain about Eifert.

    27.Houston Texans-Kevin Minter ILB, LSU Once Brian Cushing went down with an ACL tear, the Houston defense was nowhere near as scary. Bradie James, Tim Dobbins, Barrett Ruud, and Darryl Sharpton all rotated to try and fill in for Cushing but where unable to. The owner has been pretty vocal about getting another ILB.

    28.Denver Broncos- Kenny Vaccaro S, Texas Denver's safeties had been exposed at different times this year, but none of them were seen by more people than the playoff loss to Baltimore. Rahim Moore is still young, but gets caught out of position a lot, and Quinton Carter isn't much better. CB could be the pick as well, but if Vaccaro falls he'll be hard to pass up.

    29.New England Patriots-Tavon Austin WR, West Virginia If recent rumors are to be believed, Wes Welker will not be back with the Patriots. If rumors are also to be believed, Billicheck and McDaniels believe Austin will add another dimension to their offense next season.

    30.Atlanta Falcons-Sam Montgomery DE, LSU The Falcons have 2 glaring needs; TE and pass rush. With the top 2 tight ends off the board, it's time to address the pass rush.

    31.San Francisco 49ers-Matt Elam S, Florida The 9ers have a dominant defense, but during the playoffs the weaknesses of their secondary were exposed. Dashon Goldson is a free agent and Donte Whitner gave up more touchdowns than any other safety in 2012/13. Time for an upgrade.

    32.Baltimore Ravens- John Jenkins NT, Georgia Not a need, but the Ravens always take the best player available. Ma'ake Kemoeatu is 34 years old, and Terrence Cody hasn't been able to handle being a full time NT yet and has instead played more as a DE in the 3-4... so maybe it is a bit of a need.

    Rest of the Fins Draft.

    2a.Jordan Poyer CB, Oregon State With Sean Smith's status up in the air CB is a much bigger issue than initially thought (which was still a concern). We've seen solid performances at different times from the likes of Nolan Carroll and Dimitri Patterson but we couldn't force turnovers to save our lives this season. Poyer also fits into Kevin Coyle's defense

    2b.Steadman Bailey WR, West Virginia If Hartline's contract demands are true, he's not getting that money here. Even if we go WR in round 1 and/or Hartline stays I think we get 2 WRs early. 3 total TDs is unacceptable. Bailey adds a deep threat to the WR corp and allows us to continue to develop Rishard Matthews without having to rely on him too much.

    3a.Gavin Escobar TE, San Diego State Not getting talked about a lot right now, but may be the 3rd best TE in the draft. Also a huge redzone threat, which we need.

    3b.John Simon DE, Ohio State Non-stop motor at DE that has 16 sacks and 30.5 tackles for loss over the last 2 years. Also does a good job batting balls.

    In Conclusion Maybe not the players the fanbase would want, but I also went about looking at the kind of players we need. I think we can all agree we need help on offense and I think all 3 offensive players I have us taking will help us. I know Michael Egnew is taking MMA over the offseason to get stronger, and Charles Clay will hopefully be recovered, but with their question marks/inconsistencies and Anthony Fasano not under contract right now, TE can't be ignored, especially in what is now looking like a deep class.

    I like Brian Hartline, Davone Bess, and Rishard Matthews but even if we resign Hartline we need more at WR. Our starters had 2 TDs. Our 3rd WR TD came from a blown play and Marlon Moore is just too unreliable to be anything more than a ST gunner. I want to keep a hold of Matthews, but we can't say he (and Armon Binns) are the reason we don't address the WR need. Now if we sign Greg Jennings, we don't draft 2 WRs. But at this moment we haven't signed him (or resigned Hartline) once those 2 issues are resolved, I probably change one of the WR picks.

    I love Poyer's game and he is one of the guys that really fit our defense. Miler does, but I doubt he makes it to our pick. Banks does and he is an option (though I have him going at 11 in this mock). Desmond Trufant does, but 12 is a reach (at least right now) and I doubt he makes it to our first 2nd round pick. Poyer is even a stretch, but I think he is the most likely.

    While Simon may not be the sexiest DE in the draft, you cannot deny his productivity. The fact that he gets his hands into passing lanes (which was huge for DEs in the Cincy D Coyle was apart of) made him the pick for me... that and I liked him more than other guys I could see Coyle liking at DE (Michael Buchanon, William Gholston) and 2 others I could see Coyle wanting (Margus Hunt and Joe Kruger) I doubt will be there.

    Remember though, with 4 day 2 picks, a trade up into round 1 is not out of the question
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    I like the combination of Patterson and Bailey a lot; they're like the flip of Allen and Wheaton for me. Poyer is a fighter. I have him rated a little lower than Trufant and Alford, but I'd never complain about acquiring a player like Poyer in the appropriate round, and he's all the way a 2nd Round guy to me. Just has to keep it under 4.6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-off-her-doll View Post
    I like the combination of Patterson and Bailey a lot; they're like the flip of Allen and Wheaton for me. Poyer is a fighter. I have him rated a little lower than Trufant and Alford, but I'd never complain about acquiring a player like Poyer in the appropriate round, and he's all the way a 2nd Round guy to me. Just has to keep it under 4.6.
    oh yeah I'm really high on Little Trufant, even toyed with the idea of having him go in the mid teens (other needs just got the better of me). I could easily see him going to Green Bay, Denver, SanFran, or even New England in round 1. Hell I could see INdy liking him a lot too
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    nice job...if cleveland and mike lombardi love ansah at #6 let em have em...same for the jets at #9...i'll just be glad he wasn't still there for ireland to ponder over frankly...

    not sure i see star as a good nose fit...strikes me as a 43 dt ideally...

    was thinking the eagles may go cb but i'm hearing they don't feel they can trust jason peters to stay healthy all that much at this stage and want at least a guy to man right tackle and swing to the left if need be...cb or tackle is how i see it

    one big omission i see is ot lane johnson...i'll die if that athlete and move player at tackle with the frame to carry 15 more lbs of good weight and terrific feet gets out of round 1...flat out keel over dead

    seems to be a lot of sharrif floyd momentum these days...stocks going up...top 15 too rich for me but a lot of buzz there...

    ertz over eifert huh...maybe...probably comes down to who runs better...

    looking at team needs no marcus trufant in round 1 will semi surprise me...unless he runs in the 4.5's

    alex okafor strikes me as more a atl target than seattle...seattle losing clemons has a hole at end in it's run d that is massive...atl exploited bruce irvin on early downs at the poa in the first half of that playoff game like there was no tomorrow...only after they stopped running irvin out there on early downs and went with more jumbo size end on that side to be stouter at the poa did they make a run and get back in that game...okafor is very much a get up field guy at all cost i can see him being exploited in the run game unless he plays more contain assignment football on early downs...okafor strikes me as more what atl wants which is pass rush first and foremost...

    kevin minter keeps getting 1st round love it's way too rich for me...not for a lb that i have to take off the field in nickle or hide in coverage...
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    God I hope we can trade down and get another pick. Its begging us if Fisher or Milliner not there. No reason to take Patterson there if 8 teams behind us wont sniff him.

    I wouldnt be surprised if we are hot on Floyd's tail. Its not unreal for us to take a DT if Starks is gone.
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    If Lane Johnon is still there at 32 or I package some picks and move up for him, if we didn't resign Long.
    Let's go Miami!!!!
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    With the exception of John Simon I would take your Dolphins mock any day. I'm intrigued at the moment by Southern Miss OLB/DE Jamie Collins. He's a little small and light for a DE but he plays above his size. Explosion, violent hands, great vision. If he was available in the third, I wouldn't hesitate. If he didn't work out as a rusher, and I think he will, you could plug him at mike or Sam. Not unlike the quandary with John Simon, but with a much higher potential player, IMO. Also gets his hands up when the sack isn't on, as it happens.

    with Patterson and Bailey, you could have a stellar duo. You might need a big bodied receiver to complement them both. Escobar has that potential fro the TE position, IMO. Its a very nice offensive thresome to plug into the Philbin/Sherman offense. A FA pickup like Danario Alexander would be another smart option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooshoops View Post
    nice job...if cleveland and mike lombardi love ansah at #6 let em have em...same for the jets at #9...i'll just be glad he wasn't still there for ireland to ponder over frankly...

    not sure i see star as a good nose fit...strikes me as a 43 dt ideally...

    was thinking the eagles may go cb but i'm hearing they don't feel they can trust jason peters to stay healthy all that much at this stage and want at least a guy to man right tackle and swing to the left if need be...cb or tackle is how i see it

    one big omission i see is ot lane johnson...i'll die if that athlete and move player at tackle with the frame to carry 15 more lbs of good weight and terrific feet gets out of round 1...flat out keel over dead

    seems to be a lot of sharrif floyd momentum these days...stocks going up...top 15 too rich for me but a lot of buzz there...

    ertz over eifert huh...maybe...probably comes down to who runs better...

    looking at team needs no marcus trufant in round 1 will semi surprise me...unless he runs in the 4.5's

    alex okafor strikes me as more a atl target than seattle...seattle losing clemons has a hole at end in it's run d that is massive...atl exploited bruce irvin on early downs at the poa in the first half of that playoff game like there was no tomorrow...only after they stopped running irvin out there on early downs and went with more jumbo size end on that side to be stouter at the poa did they make a run and get back in that game...okafor is very much a get up field guy at all cost i can see him being exploited in the run game unless he plays more contain assignment football on early downs...okafor strikes me as more what atl wants which is pass rush first and foremost...

    kevin minter keeps getting 1st round love it's way too rich for me...not for a lb that i have to take off the field in nickle or hide in coverage...
    Couple Points

    1.Even if they don't go to a 3-4, IMO I think Star is the pick. The Raiders are in desperate need of a guy that is strong against the run. He can also penetrate

    2.I toyed with the idea of CB, but the Eagles signed Billy Davis as DC. Davis was the DC for whom Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie had his best seasons under in Arizona, and he runs a defense that Nnamdi Asomaugh will fit into as well. Jason Peters also re-tore his achilles before the regular season so he's had 2 surgeries in the past year.

    3.I thought about Lane Johnson to San Diego, and also Chicago. Just went in a different direction. But that was a mistake on my part

    4.May be a bit rich, but combine his skills with Sheldon Richardson being an idiot and top 15 could easily happen

    5.As I said earlier, I thought about Little Trufant to a couple places in the first. Just didn't pull the trigger yet. He'll be a first rounder post combine provided he runs poor.

    6.Long story short, I think a team is gonna fall in love with Ertz and take him over Eifert. Both are very good. But I just get the feeling that one team will pull the trigger on Ertz first.

    7. Yeah for Seattle it came down to Okafor or Benny Logan. Probably should've gone Logan.

    8. They do have Cushing so it's not as big of a deal for Houston. THe big issue for them is once CUshing got hurt they had no ILBs that could cover and only one that could play the run.

    With the exception of John Simon I would take your Dolphins mock any day. I'm intrigued at the moment by Southern Miss OLB/DE Jamie Collins. He's a little small and light for a DE but he plays above his size. Explosion, violent hands, great vision. If he was available in the third, I wouldn't hesitate. If he didn't work out as a rusher, and I think he will, you could plug him at mike or Sam. Not unlike the quandary with John Simon, but with a much higher potential player, IMO. Also gets his hands up when the sack isn't on, as it happens.

    with Patterson and Bailey, you could have a stellar duo. You might need a big bodied receiver to complement them both. Escobar has that potential fro the TE position, IMO. Its a very nice offensive thresome to plug into the Philbin/Sherman offense. A FA pickup like Danario Alexander would be another smart option.
    I will readily admit that Simon was my pick due to productivity. Too many guys are too big of projects for me. I like OV as a player, and he made some plays for us, but we say how raw he was at times.
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    I really hope someone like Werner, Jones or Milliner fall to us, and we take BPA. I just can't see Ireland taking a risk at 12.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peakz View Post
    I really hope someone like Werner, Jones or Milliner fall to us, and we take BPA. I just can't see Ireland taking a risk at 12.
    you mean like how he took a risk last year with Tannehill even earlier?
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