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Thread: Colts Want to Reunite Sean Smith with Vontae?

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    He has underachieved his hole time in the NFL . He is only about a 4 on a 10 scale if they want him please take him. The only way I want him in a dolphins uniforme is if its for about 5 mill a year eanything else would be a joke.

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    First both those connerback have player well, Smith IMO is much less the play maker than Davis but Davis is a bit immature and has been nicked up and missed time compared to Smith. IMO Davis probably would have pushed us into the playoffs last year if we had not traded him. The quetion I have is does Philbin want these guys. Ireland has in the past until last year resigned his draft picks which indicates to me that he and Philbin are working together on these decisions and Philbin is indicating he would rather draft his own guys and lets Tony's and Irelands picks go. IMO we have to many quality free agents this year to let this happen to. If CB was our only area of concern I would say sure let the Smith walk. I really would prefer us to resign most of own FA and maybe sign only Wallace and look to the draft.
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    Colts Want to Reunite Sean Smith with Vontae?

    Quote Originally Posted by gerblack View Post
    What hole why cant we get a better FA CB since there are many out there for about the same money as we would pay S.Smith? What is Grimes and the like looking for?
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    So if Sean Smith walks, who do we replace him with? Oh, and Vontae too, because we never replaced him. Are we going to sign 2 new starting CBs in FA? Draft them both? Then how do we upgrade the WRs and TE? What about getting Wake some help on the pass rush? And since we're letting Jake walk, we'll need a new LT, or RT if Martin slides over. If you want to replace all that in the draft, you better hope Ireland finds some "acorns" in the late rounds, and that he hits a home run on all 5 picks in the first 3 rounds. This fanbase is completely unrealistic.

    No one is saying Sean Smith is a world beater. He is competent. He has experience starting in the NFL, and he hasn't missed any time with injuries. He needs to be resigned, if only to make sure we have one less hole to fill otherwise. He can be upgraded in a season or 2, when our other needs aren't so glaring...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SizzlingFins04 View Post
    Brandon Marshall, Erik Walden, Adewale Ogunleye, Donald Lee didnt do to bad with green bay, Larry Izzo, hell even Sammy Morris out did himself. Im sure theres plenty more to name but off my head these stuck out. What's better though is how this thread is about Sean Smith staying or going and your trying to argue about my analogy.
    Brandon Marshall doesnt fit your criteria of "play in Miami and suck". He was a damn fine player before he got here, good while here, and good while gone. Erik Walden is a rotational linebacker and one who will probably be riding the bench, seeing as how they drafted a replacement for him last year. Donald Lee was cut by Green Bay in 2011, bounced around the Eagles and Bengals, and has been a free agent since September 2012.

    I'll give you Ogunleye. That was Wannstedt being Wannstedt.

    Larry Izzo was 13 years ago and a special teams player. A very fine special teams player, but a special teams player nonetheless. And Sammy Morris...what is there to say to that? His highest rushing season was 700 yards.

    With the exception of Ogunleye and maybe Izzo, none of the players you listed "became great" after Miami let them walk. Not a single one. And when your entire post is based on the premise that former players become studs after we let them walk, and exactly 2 of them have, then your going to get called out. What evidence do you have to suggest Sean Smith will become the shutdown corner you have promised? Because the evidence you used before, that your now saying im just "arguing your analogy", has proven to be completely wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Locke View Post
    So if Sean Smith walks, who do we replace him with? Oh, and Vontae too, because we never replaced him. Are we going to sign 2 new starting CBs in FA? Draft them both? Then how do we upgrade the WRs and TE? What about getting Wake some help on the pass rush? And since we're letting Jake walk, we'll need a new LT, or RT if Martin slides over. If you want to replace all that in the draft, you better hope Ireland finds some "acorns" in the late rounds, and that he hits a home run on all 5 picks in the first 3 rounds. This fanbase is completely unrealistic.

    No one is saying Sean Smith is a world beater. He is competent. He has experience starting in the NFL, and he hasn't missed any time with injuries. He needs to be resigned, if only to make sure we have one less hole to fill otherwise. He can be upgraded in a season or 2, when our other needs aren't so glaring...
    How are we going to replace Smith? Well we can trade up to a top 6-8 pick and draft Milliner, swapping a 1st in the trade as well as our 3a pick. I wouldn't be against signing Derek Cox out of Jacksonville in free agency either, he will not require Sean "Revis" Smith contract money. Those are your day 1 starters right there. Or, you can go with the Milliner trade and draft Desmond Trufant/Johnathan Banks in the 2nd round. Sean Smith is by no means irreplaceable come day one.

    To compliment Wake, we can sign Dwight Freeney of whom excelled in the 4-3 defense we're running right now. He is obviously up in age, but none the less a future HOFer. I wouldn't believe he would have an absurd contract request either. If we cannot land Freeney, I pick up Sam Montgomery from LSU in the 2nd to compliment Wake. Don't include Jake Long leaving as a fact in your post either, you and I both know stranger things have happened. So the CB situation is handled, a promising starter is opposite Wake, we pick a 3rd round talent at WR as well as adding Jennings/Wallace and see if we can sign any starting caliber OTs in free agency.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AFCMiamiEast View Post
    How are we going to replace Smith? Well we can trade up to a top 6-8 pick and draft Milliner, swapping a 1st in the trade as well as our 3a pick. I wouldn't be against signing Derek Cox out of Jacksonville in free agency either, he will not require Sean "Revis" Smith contract money. Those are your day 1 starters right there. Or, you can go with the Milliner trade and draft Desmond Trufant/Johnathan Banks in the 2nd round. Sean Smith is by no means irreplaceable come day one.

    To compliment Wake, we can sign Dwight Freeney of whom excelled in the 4-3 defense we're running right now. He is obviously up in age, but none the less a future HOFer. I wouldn't believe he would have an absurd contract request either. If we cannot land Freeney, I pick up Sam Montgomery from LSU in the 2nd to compliment Wake. Don't include Jake Long leaving as a fact in your post either, you and I both know stranger things have happened. So the CB situation is handled, a promising starter is opposite Wake, we pick a 3rd round talent at WR as well as adding Jennings/Wallace and see if we can sign any starting caliber OTs in free agency.
    And you know for sure all these FAs will sign with Miami? And you know for sure those corners will be available in the second? And you do realize that all these FAs you want to sign will demand contracts similar to, or much bigger than, the ones Miami's FAs want? There are a lot of ifs there. Seems awful stupid to hedge your bets on a significant amount of chance. What's that quote about the best laid plans of mice and men?

    Your plan relies on moving up for a rookie corner, and signing a journeyman out of Jacksonville to "solidify" our defensive backfield. Or we go with 2 rookie corners again, and take a pass rusher in the second. We then sign Dwight Freeney (who'll most likely want to sign with a contender seeing as he only has a few seasons left) who has lost a step to "fix" our pass rush. For WR, we sign the big FA we are all anticipating, and take the best WR available to us in the third. We re-sign Jake Long, and what about TE?

    In your plan, with our 5 picks in the top 100, we have 3 defenders and a WR. The only addition to our offense, one of the worst in the league, is a Greg/Jennings and a 3rd round WR. Our secondary is being manned by a rookie and a journeyman corner, or 2 rookies, and our new passrusher is 36 and past his prime, or a rookie who is sliding down draft boards. I don't see how we've improved much in this plan. Our offense is about the same, our secondary got younger and less experienced, and our passrush probably hasn't changed much, depending on what Freeney has left in the tank or how quickly the rookie adapts. I'm sorry man, but that would be an absolutely horrible offseason. One that would cost Ireland his job...
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    Quote Originally Posted by spesh View Post
    brandon marshall doesnt fit your criteria of "play in miami and suck". He was a damn fine player before he got here, good while here, and good while gone. Erik walden is a rotational linebacker and one who will probably be riding the bench, seeing as how they drafted a replacement for him last year. Donald lee was cut by green bay in 2011, bounced around the eagles and bengals, and has been a free agent since september 2012.

    I'll give you ogunleye. That was wannstedt being wannstedt.


    Larry izzo was 13 years ago and a special teams player. A very fine special teams player, but a special teams player nonetheless. And sammy morris...what is there to say to that? His highest rushing season was 700 yards.

    With the exception of ogunleye and maybe izzo, none of the players you listed "became great" after miami let them walk. Not a single one. And when your entire post is based on the premise that former players become studs after we let them walk, and exactly 2 of them have, then your going to get called out. What evidence do you have to suggest sean smith will become the shutdown corner you have promised? Because the evidence you used before, that your now saying im just "arguing your analogy", has proven to be completely wrong.
    given the simple fact that you took wes welker and rob ninkovich in your post so that excluded 2 people off the "top of my head" if i actually spent time i could probably nail about 5 more. I also never said they became "studs" somewhere else i simply stated the fact that once someone plays here and move on to somewhere else it always seems as they perform better for other organizations rather than ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spesh View Post
    brandon marshall doesnt fit your criteria of "play in miami and suck". He was a damn fine player before he got here, good while here, and good while gone. Erik walden is a rotational linebacker and one who will probably be riding the bench, seeing as how they drafted a replacement for him last year. Donald lee was cut by green bay in 2011, bounced around the eagles and bengals, and has been a free agent since september 2012.

    I'll give you ogunleye. That was wannstedt being wannstedt.

    Larry izzo was 13 years ago and a special teams player. A very fine special teams player, but a special teams player nonetheless. And sammy morris...what is there to say to that? His highest rushing season was 700 yards.

    With the exception of ogunleye and maybe izzo, none of the players you listed "became great" after miami let them walk. Not a single one. And when your entire post is based on the premise that former players become studs after we let them walk, and exactly 2 of them have, then your going to get called out. What evidence do you have to suggest sean smith will become the shutdown corner you have promised? Because the evidence you used before, that your now saying im just "arguing your analogy", has proven to be completely wrong.
    in other words they under achieve while with us and then over achieve after they've left us.
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    2. Resign Smith, Hartline, Starks, & Fasano.
    3. Draft CB Rd. 1
    4. Draft FS & "Seam Threat" TE Rd. 2
    5. Draft WR & DE Rd. 3
    6. Draft LB

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    Dwight Freeney has lost a few steps, take him off the artificial surface for half the year and I don't seem much from him, and he is not looking to sign a cheap deal either. Let SS walk and we will pay for it in more ways than 1.


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