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Thread: Trade Targets at WR

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    I just don't buy that Arizona is actually making Larry Fitzgerald available to anyone.

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    I'd love to get Cecil Shorts

    Why is he available?
    Most likely isn't but the guy is coming off 2 concussions which landed him on IR last season. He plays on a team with questions at QB and a team that just drafted a WR in the 1st round last year (Blackmon) while also signing Laurent Robinson to a large contract. I'm sure the Jags would much rather dump Robinson over Shorts but I could dream. Shorts is a UFA in 2015 so we'd have time to evealuate and lock him up if we wanted while he's still playing at a crazy cheap salary compared to his production.
    Why would the Dolphins be interested? Speed to a break the big one is there and he seemed to find the endzone last season even though he had Chad Henne throwing him the ball. He also makes under a million dollars for each of the next 2 seasons

    Runner Up: Damian Williams (Titans)

    Why is he available?
    Titans have Britt, Washington, and just drafted Kendall Wright. Williams is expendable and could be had for next to nothing. I saw him play at USC and he has big play potential. Not the biggest burner in the world but looks quicker than he is on the field. . He's an UFA in 2014 so 1 year evaluation period.
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    Ill take a jab at this.. I would like to ink Mike Wallace to a deal, but since were talking trade scenario's I'll go with Marques Colston.

    Why I think he is available: This is just something i thought of and haven't heard a single peep about it being even remotely true. I believe Marques Colston could be expendable. If im not mistaken the Saints are around $16 million over the cap. Most likely they will have to restructure several contracts. I know they signed Marques to a 5 year deal i believe last year that includes $19 million and 40 million overall. Granted that's a team friendly deal, but when your $16 million over the cap and you have FA Jermon Bushrod who's going to command a decent amount of dollars. Now i highly believe that if the Saints traded away Marques Colston they're offense wouldn't miss a beat. Drew brees still has Lance Moore to throw too who put up almost identical numbers as colston yardage wise. Jimmy Graham who's arguably Brees favorite target to throw too. And Devery Henderson (He's a free agent as well) I assume that the Saints wouldn't ignore calls inquiring about Colston whether it be for picks or players (They need help bad on defense). Rob Ryan was recently hired and he has a tough task ahead of him with that defense. They're LB corps was atrocious last year. Vilma wasn't there so ill give them that. With that being said assuming JI makes the call. I would like to think Karlos Dansby would be a name that would be brought up. No one's sure if Vilma will remain a Saint. He's owed a lot of money and the production just isn't there how it used to be. Saints could cut Vilma and take on Dansby contract which i believe is relatively close to Vilma's but i may be wrong. Just like that they get a centerpiece for their defense and we get our #1. Player for player. JI could also just just offer picks or a lower tier player and a pick. Who knows. I sure don't.
    1. Sign Mike Wallace
    2. Resign Smith, Hartline, Starks, & Fasano.
    3. Draft CB Rd. 1
    4. Draft FS & "Seam Threat" TE Rd. 2
    5. Draft WR & DE Rd. 3
    6. Draft LB

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    Quote Originally Posted by TdownRbrown View Post
    I'd love to get Cecil Shorts

    Why is he available?
    Most likely isn't but the guy is coming off 2 concussions which landed him on IR last season. He plays on a team with questions at QB and a team that just drafted a WR in the 1st round last year (Blackmon) while also signing Laurent Robinson to a large contract. I'm sure the Jags would much rather dump Robinson over Shorts but I could dream. Shorts is a UFA in 2015 so we'd have time to evealuate and lock him up if we wanted while he's still playing at a crazy cheap salary compared to his production.
    Why would the Dolphins be interested? Speed to a break the big one is there and he seemed to find the endzone last season even though he had Chad Henne throwing him the ball. He also makes under a million dollars for each of the next 2 seasons

    Runner Up: Damian Williams (Titans)

    Why is he available?
    Titans have Britt, Washington, and just drafted Kendall Wright. Williams is expendable and could be had for next to nothing. I saw him play at USC and he has big play potential. Not the biggest burner in the world but looks quicker than he is on the field. . He's an UFA in 2014 so 1 year evaluation period.
    AHHH I like it, good thinking, a couple different WR's no one has mentioned
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    i like cecil shorts, i think he would fit our style too. I bet Philbin noticed him in our game.
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    would Minnesota sniff at Odrick plus Bess for Harvin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalrus View Post
    So for a comparison to mean anything to you, a trade has to have met these conditions?

    1.) Not going into last year of contract.
    2.) Coming off underwhelming season.
    3.) Has high cap numbers going forward.
    4.) Was traded for good compensation.

    First off, if a guy meets 1-3, 4 probably doesn't apply. It would be relatively low compensation, and I wasn't talking about trading a first rounder for Sidney Rice nor do I think CK was talking about a first for Miles Austin. But how about the trade of Brandon Marshall to the Bears? Wasn't the last year of his deal and he had high cap numbers going forward. His 2011 wasn't underwhelming on the field but was in the locker room.

    Then there's DeMeco Ryans. He was traded last year after signing a big deal in 2010. He ruptured his Achilles in 2010 then had a subpar 2011, was asked to take a pay cut (he refused) and was traded to the Eagles for a swap of thirds and a fourth.

    I don't buy the necessity of your model of comparisons. It sounds designed not to find relevant examples but to preclude discussion. If a team has good reasons to want to trade somebody and they can find a suitor, then that's all it takes. Those hypothetical conditions are what's being discussed here.
    we all know why b marsh keeps getting traded or got traded from denver in the first place...same reason he got traded here...i don't see how that example makes much sense frankly...

    demeco ryans was as you said coming off an achilles and hasn't been the same player since to be honest...his best football was played in houston...i'm sorry if i'm ruining this exercise for many of you guys i'm just trying to look at it from a realistic point of view and what makes sense for the miami dolphins and i just don't see it with just about all these options...put it to you this way...i wouldn't do it...and i don't think many teams are gonna trade you assets for mid round picks just cause they have above average cap figures in 2013...

    i'd go to free agency pluck the guy i like maybe overpay a little bit but that's what happens in free agency and then roll with high picks in the draft on the position to stabilize my core
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    Vincent Jackson's contract will pay him $36 million over the first three years. The last two years involve payments of $19.94 million (provided he makes his workout bonuses). Near as I can tell, if you were to cut him after his third year, his 2015 salary cap figure of $12.402 million (assuming the workout bonus from 2014 was earned) would reduce down to $4.864 million of "dead" money. You'll have paid Vincent $36 million for 3 years of service.

    This seems to be the contract Mike Wallace wants to model his own contract after in free agency. The question is whether you'd sign him for the same money.

    I say no.
    first off it's free agency...mike wallace as a free agent in this market is a $10 mil per year wr...no doubt in my mind...ideally i'd want a more 100 catch double digit td guy for that money but those guys rarely and i mean rarely come free in their prime unless they got skeletons in their closet like v jax did with san diego with the 2 dui's etc...

    so looking at it from what is available what pops off the screen when you watch miami tape from 2012 which is a DIRE need for legitimate speed to back the defense up and make them play honest and the fact this kid fits that need to a t i'm interested from the jump...mike wallace may not be a a wr that is gonna break tackles and do murder in the red zone and i get that...but when you watch the miami o there's no doubt in my mind when we go max protect 2 wr sets with that guy on the field the opposition is gonna have to respect his ability vertical and he can drive on any db in football eat up their cushion get them to open their hips and come out of their pedal and run a variety of gear down routes in front of bailing dbs...

    his route running for what he is asked to do has gotten much better...not as much wasted movement or false steps when he gears down...he can run that deep cross we like to run in max protect with hartline so much off pa and do murder...he's not a projection like so many speed wrs coming out of college he's a proven commodity...

    so taking all that into consideration the fact that i totally believe that he can put up good per catch numbers with tannehill and murder people on deep comebacks and out routes and post routes and blow by any defense in football plus what his presence will do regarding teams wanting to put that extra safety in the box like we saw so much of last year reviewing what you have presented as v jax being the model i don't auto say no to it...also keep in mind that to me the hardest thing to find in this wr draft class is true blow by speed with polish...there's a lot of things in this class but that's one thing i don't see much of...everyone says marcus wheaton is that guy...i like marcus wheaton always have but if guys get their hands on him at the los he can be rerouted off his preferred line and lose at the stem of his route...and i don't think he's gonna run quite what many of you guys are expecting sunday...even still that's one option in a draft where 32 teams have every opportunity to trump you...

    so how is mike wallace any different in getting off the los and not losing physically you might ask??? well i have nfl tape and years of it with wallace that shows me that dbs rarely press him cause if they miss on that initial attempt he's gone and they are toast...so most the time he gets a lot of off man coverage looks cause dcs and dbs are scared to death of his ability to get over the top on them and win vertical...and safeties too for that matter...and we got proof...he's the most scary vertical presence in football...the all 22 look from the press box of that cheetah burning down field probably has dcs jaws hitting the floor it's so filthy...

    looking at your model if you are telling me that i can if need be lose mike wallace after year 3 and only eat around $4.5 mil in dead money considering he's only gonna be 29 years old then and yeah that age matters to me it's a chance i'd be willing to take...i'd roll the dice...

    and then i'd focus on a red zone win wr with his size and physical specimen to add to the core in the draft...yes i'd take the chance under that model for a 26 year old in his prime wr that fits what we need to a t and has polish who hasn't been hampered with injuries...provided i do not get any major red flags when i check into his background and dig into him as a person...
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    As much as I see where you are coming from CK...and it is certainly possible, I would prefer to see us sign one big name and use our draft picks with the number of holes we have to fill. That is, unless the draft picks involved are 4th round or lower.
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