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Thread: Hartline and Dolphins near deal....

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    I don't know why fans hate on Hartline so much, especially after he just put up a 1,000 yard season. He is not a #1, but he is a very good #2 and the price of a #2 WR in this league is around $6 million a year. I don't like that number, would prefer a contract more around $4 million, but the market dictates the price.

    He is young and has improved each year since he was drafted, I hope they are able to bring him back and team him with someone like Wallace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vertical Limit View Post
    I rather save the money we would from signing Hartline at near 7 million per year and get Jennings instead. You can quote me on this, Matthews is going to beat out Hartline this offseason/preseason.
    Brian Hartline build great chemistry with Ryan Tannehill and believe it or not he will lead the Dolphins in yards at 2013.
    Why? Once Mike Wallace joins Dolphins, Brian will be playing against #2 CB. If he got great results versus top CB, this is going to give him better chances to shine.
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    I didn't watch every game, but I think there were at least two deep ball touchdowns that Tannehilll missed getting to Hartline. Everybody on this board was mystified by red zone playcalling. I absolutely believe that you have to keep him for the sake of continuity. He's a gamer, whose production can increase along Tannehill's learning curve. Definitely not a number one. But would you give Bowe the kind of money KC gave him? Or Wallace at 10-13M like folks are saying? Jennings as a two to three year transition to whomever we draft at #12 or with our first pick in the 2nd.
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    Its abit more then I wanted to spend. I wanted a 5mil a deal yr. You gotta see what the final #'s are though....These things always leak early then are drastically different when the contract actually is signed.

    I do think bringing back Brian was important though. Tannehill obviously built chemistry with him, and has a comfort zone with him already. As to what others have said definitely do not think
    this takes us out of the running for Wallace, the plan all along was to re-sign Hartline theng et either Jennings,Wallace or Bowe. Nothing has changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlockz View Post
    People keep talking backloaded but very rarely is anybody's contract that backloaded in today's nfl.
    What are you talking about?? The vast majority of players' contracts are backloaded.

    Big contracts signed by receivers last off-season:

    Vincent Jackson:
    2013: $840,000, 2014: $10 million, 2015: $9,777,777, 2016: $9,777,778

    Desean Jackson:
    2013: $6.75 million, 2014: $10.25 million, 2015-2016: $9.75 million

    Marques Colston:
    2013: $1.7 million (+ $2.8 million "signing" bonus), 2014: $5.5 million, 2015: $6.9 million, 2016: $7.7 million

    Stevie Johnson:
    2013: $2.55 million (+ $4.5 million option bonus), 2014: $3.65 million (+ $1.75 million roster bonus), 2015: $5.5 million (+ $250,000 roster bonus), 2016: $5.85 million

    Antonio Brown:
    2013: $650,000 (+ $3.85 million "signing" bonus), 2014-2015: $6 million, 2016: $8.25 million, 2017: $8.71 million

    Pierre Garcon:
    2013: $5.6 million, 2014-2015: $7.1 million, 2016: $7.6 million

    Laurent Robinson:
    2013: $2.6 million, 2014: $5.6 million, 2015-2016: $6.4 million

    Other big WR contracts:
    Miles Austin:
    2013: $840,000 (+ $5.892 million "signing" bonus), 2014: $5.5 million, 2015: $6.888 million, 2016: $11.38 million

    Andre Johnson:
    2013: $6.2 million, 2014: $6.5 million, 2015: $10.5 million, 2016: $11 million

    Larry Fitzgerald:
    2013: $5 million (+ $10 million option bonus due 3/15), 2014: $12.75 million, 2015: $8 million (+ $8 million roster bonus), 2016: $15 million, 2017-2018: $14.75 million

    Calvin Johnson:
    2013: $5 million (+ $20 million option bonus), 2014: $5 million, 2015: $12.5 million, 2016: $15.95 million, 2017: $16.5 million, 2018: $17 million ($3.5 million guaranteed if team "buys back" final two years), 2019: $18.25 million
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    Hartline and Dolphins near deal....

    Quote Originally Posted by Vertical Limit View Post
    Hartline got 1000 because there was no other receiving options. I highly doubt he gets 1000 if Marshall was still here.

    Let's not forget the fact he only caught one touchdown and we all can remember that touchdown was against the Cardinals, the day he got 250 something yards. Take away that game and Hartline averaged 55 yards per game the rest of the season and no touchdowns. IMPRESSIVE!
    I don't understand why you'd "throw out" a fantastic game against a pretty good secondary. How about we take the worst game he had and "throw it out" as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalrus View Post
    tell me how you really feel??? ha ha...funny stuff i don't like where this contract is headed but it makes sense probably for his market...
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    6 per for Hartline is horrendous.

    **** you, Jeff Ireland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vertical Limit View Post
    You've yet to make one single argument, I've already presented stats, salary on players who are more productive than him (Nelson caught 7 TD's in 2012, Hartline has 6 career TD's, Nelson is a Top 25 receiver, Hartline isn't even close), and etc and your big argument is "the different coaching staff, the chemistry! we have to pay him 3 million more than Nelson because that chemistry!!". The one who is mindless is you.
    Those aren't arguments at all. Anyone can come up with stats...gimme a damn break. The guy went through hell, almost died, in the offseason and STILL came back and had his best season as a pro. Dude's got heart. Sure there weren't a lot of other receiving options, but even then he still had a pretty good year considering and you just want to dump him? I'm not saying we need to give him 6-7 million, but at 4...4.5 mil, he's definitely got value to this team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chance29 View Post
    I don't understand why you'd "throw out" a fantastic game against a pretty good secondary. How about we take the worst game he had and "throw it out" as well
    throw out the 0 catch 0 yarder... and he averages a whopping 58 yards and 0 tds........ and that pretty good secondary? notice who was covering him all day.... no it wasnt stud patrick peterson... it was terrible william gay he was burning all day. and against Oakland, his other giant game... was destroying joselio hansen...

    for a guy that averaged around 550 yards for his entire career and has one blip up in stats... you'd figure one of them is slightly an outlier. and the whole "but marshall was force fed the ball" argument makes no sense... in his two years here marshall had about 145 targets per year. Hartline last year had around 127.... so essentially Brandon Marshall got 1 more target per game than Hartline in a "terrible offensive system that no quality player like hartline could survive in' with an awful coaching staff and a terrible quarterback, but yet Marshall still got over 1,000 yards and 1200 yards with 2 and 8? more touchdowns than hartline......

    double hartline's targets and you got double the production... what happens when we bring in this alpha receiver? hartlines targets drop. can bet your bottom dollar he doesnt put up another 1000 yards.

    my bet... you're paying 6.5 million per year for 700 yards and maybe 2-3 tds.....
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