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    Quote Originally Posted by Hayden Fox View Post
    I wish he had a little more productivity. His 5 picks does not impress me for 12. However, I think he is in the mix.
    that's the other thing...while a very good cover safety not quite the ballhawk that would validate the pick...more #16-20 range imo...i don't have a problem with him though in a signiicant trade down but again you'd prefer more ballhawk at safety...guys that aren't end up grading out as pretty average
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooshoops View Post
    that's the other thing...while a very good cover safety not quite the ballhawk that would validate the pick...more #16-20 range imo...i don't have a problem with him though in a signiicant trade down but again you'd prefer more ballhawk at safety...guys that aren't end up grading out as pretty average
    Totally agree.
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    If these were the options at each spot I would hope to end up with one of these three lineups...

    Austin/. Eifert./ Austin
    Ertz. /Hunt./ Ertz
    Armstead./ Swope./ Cyprien
    Poyer/Mathieu. /Poyer. /Poyer
    Rambo. /Mathieu./ Matheiu
    McFadden /Jones./ Jones
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    Thanks Hoops...I'm going to print your post and have it handy as I watch the draft!!





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    AUSTIN, DJ HAYDEN, TRUFANT.

    I DONT CARE HOW they get these guys or where just as long as one or two of them become dolphins.

    IRELAND [as well as other finz brass] have long made the mistake of not taking PLAY MAKERS high in the draft. we havnt gone anywhere in 20 years because WE CANT PUT POINTS ON THE BOARD!! not because our front end beef didnt open holes 2 more inches. our o-lines have taken a LOT of the blame for miami not having ANY play makers.

    and it will be a COLOSSAL mistake if our 1st pic is an OT. we went NOWHERE with long in his prime. why? NO PLAY MAKERS!! NO POINTS!! we have averaged about 17 points a game for YEARS now. i make and exception with WARMACK because this is another OTHER WORDLY talent and will be just as good in ANY scheme. WHY? because he doesnt need the huge athletic moves guys like cooper have. he flat stands up guys at the point with NO budge. they go no where in pass pro. like pouncy, he is in your face in a heart beat and when locked on, ITS OVER!! and he is a better athlete than a lot of guys think. and i believe we could trade down a few spots and still get him IF the finz are thinking o-line.

    over all, as much as i LOVE warmack and see a hall of fame guard, PLAYMAKERS is what we need most along with CB'S who can actually play. i dont see any trade up for milliner. TRUFANT is the better all around db and will probably be sitting there at #12. this guy is a much faster SAM MADDISON and will play with us for years to come and give us the big play, take away corner we havnt had since sam.

    DJ HAYDEN. one of my top 3 players in this draft. the best all around skills amongst db's in this draft, PERIOD!! i have been singing his praises for a while and would have screamed more but i thought he was done and over in football after that injury. IF he hadnt had the two injuries back to back, we wouldnt even have a shot at him as he would go top 2 in this draft. BUT, the fact he is so good and we have multiple hi picks, he is worth gambling on to move up in the lower 1st [and he could be gone] or take him with our 1st selection in the second round. someone just may take him in the 1st, teams like san fran who are in a position to draft WHOEVER they want!

    i dont care for ANY of the pass rushers that hi, the ones who could actually be there at #12. even though we need another to go with wake. we had a GOOD pass rush, top 5 last year and we lost games because WE COULDNT SCORE POINTS!! and WE COULDNT STOP TEAMS in the air [where points come from]. so CB and offensive PLAY MAKER are where we need to stay in the first 3-4 pics in this draft.

    JONATHAN MARTIN: is a better LT than a RT. which is odd, but, thats whats on tape. his ONLY problem playing the position last year was strength. and this could EASILY be corrected with the right off season weight room routine. he has the frame to build on, the smarts and the feet to play LT at a hi level, hi enough to get us where we want to go. and i dont think IRELAND is ready to call him a bust after taking him hi [i didnt want him in that spot] and watching him blunder on the rt side. now, if they have decided he cant play LT at the level they want, MORE EGG ON IRELANDS FACE and another reason to give the big bodies a rest for a while hi in the draft. they need to focus on play makers and TRUE corners. PERIOD!! we have found some good pass rushers later in the drafts and in canada so if it comes down to PASS RUSHER, CB or PLAY MAKING WR, we should go with CB or WR. again, we lost most games last year do to NO PLAY MAKERS. could we use some more pass rush? yes, as wake needs a rest from the quadruple zuple attention he gets every play. but, our problems last year were not lack of rush, we had decent sack numbers and hurries and knock downs, we just didnt have CB'S who could cover for ANY length of time!! AND, we had no one in the endzone. leave MARTIN in at lt, draft a true lt prospect later in the draft [not some position change experiment] and let him have his weight program and play this year at LT.

    IF WE TRULY are trading up, it better well be for milliner or to make sure we land AUSTIN who could very well not last till #12, no matter what the arm chair crowd thinks. AUSTIN is a wanted man and wont even sniff the bottom of the 1st. the cats out of the bag and to many teams no this isnt another one hit speed wonder you see hocking video games to over grown teenagers in the mall. he is a DOMINANT THREAT at 3 different positions.

    this draft is UNDER RATED and outside of AUSTIN, TRUFANT, DJ HAYDEN EIFERT and WARMACK , all guys with dominant game, freakish talent, there are dozens upon dozens of players i would be very happy with in the rounds 3-5. good players. starters. THIS FIRST 3 PICS absolutely have to be HOME RUN HITTERS, BPA's at every pic with our 1st and 2 second rounders. no reach at pass rusher and no tackles or o-line other than warmack. i like cooper, a whole lot. but, he isnt the freekish talent that warmack is, and warmack is a talent on the line you see come around ever other decade or so.

    POINT MAKERS AND BALL HAWKS, PERIOD!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by abNORMal View Post
    Thanks Hoops...I'm going to print your post and have it handy as I watch the draft!!
    well i didn't say it's what they would do...i said it's what they should do...
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    Still hoping for either Dee Milliner (if he drops or we trade up) or Xavier Rhodes. We've got tools on offense, lets solidify the secondary and keep opponents off the field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRA View Post
    AUSTIN, DJ HAYDEN, TRUFANT.

    I DONT CARE HOW they get these guys or where just as long as one or two of them become dolphins.

    IRELAND [as well as other finz brass] have long made the mistake of not taking PLAY MAKERS high in the draft. we havnt gone anywhere in 20 years because WE CANT PUT POINTS ON THE BOARD!! not because our front end beef didnt open holes 2 more inches. our o-lines have taken a LOT of the blame for miami not having ANY play makers.

    and it will be a COLOSSAL mistake if our 1st pic is an OT. we went NOWHERE with long in his prime. why? NO PLAY MAKERS!! NO POINTS!! we have averaged about 17 points a game for YEARS now. i make and exception with WARMACK because this is another OTHER WORDLY talent and will be just as good in ANY scheme. WHY? because he doesnt need the huge athletic moves guys like cooper have. he flat stands up guys at the point with NO budge. they go no where in pass pro. like pouncy, he is in your face in a heart beat and when locked on, ITS OVER!! and he is a better athlete than a lot of guys think. and i believe we could trade down a few spots and still get him IF the finz are thinking o-line.

    over all, as much as i LOVE warmack and see a hall of fame guard, PLAYMAKERS is what we need most along with CB'S who can actually play. i dont see any trade up for milliner. TRUFANT is the better all around db and will probably be sitting there at #12. this guy is a much faster SAM MADDISON and will play with us for years to come and give us the big play, take away corner we havnt had since sam.

    DJ HAYDEN. one of my top 3 players in this draft. the best all around skills amongst db's in this draft, PERIOD!! i have been singing his praises for a while and would have screamed more but i thought he was done and over in football after that injury. IF he hadnt had the two injuries back to back, we wouldnt even have a shot at him as he would go top 2 in this draft. BUT, the fact he is so good and we have multiple hi picks, he is worth gambling on to move up in the lower 1st [and he could be gone] or take him with our 1st selection in the second round. someone just may take him in the 1st, teams like san fran who are in a position to draft WHOEVER they want!

    i dont care for ANY of the pass rushers that hi, the ones who could actually be there at #12. even though we need another to go with wake. we had a GOOD pass rush, top 5 last year and we lost games because WE COULDNT SCORE POINTS!! and WE COULDNT STOP TEAMS in the air [where points come from]. so CB and offensive PLAY MAKER are where we need to stay in the first 3-4 pics in this draft.

    JONATHAN MARTIN: is a better LT than a RT. which is odd, but, thats whats on tape. his ONLY problem playing the position last year was strength. and this could EASILY be corrected with the right off season weight room routine. he has the frame to build on, the smarts and the feet to play LT at a hi level, hi enough to get us where we want to go. and i dont think IRELAND is ready to call him a bust after taking him hi [i didnt want him in that spot] and watching him blunder on the rt side. now, if they have decided he cant play LT at the level they want, MORE EGG ON IRELANDS FACE and another reason to give the big bodies a rest for a while hi in the draft. they need to focus on play makers and TRUE corners. PERIOD!! we have found some good pass rushers later in the drafts and in canada so if it comes down to PASS RUSHER, CB or PLAY MAKING WR, we should go with CB or WR. again, we lost most games last year do to NO PLAY MAKERS. could we use some more pass rush? yes, as wake needs a rest from the quadruple zuple attention he gets every play. but, our problems last year were not lack of rush, we had decent sack numbers and hurries and knock downs, we just didnt have CB'S who could cover for ANY length of time!! AND, we had no one in the endzone. leave MARTIN in at lt, draft a true lt prospect later in the draft [not some position change experiment] and let him have his weight program and play this year at LT.

    IF WE TRULY are trading up, it better well be for milliner or to make sure we land AUSTIN who could very well not last till #12, no matter what the arm chair crowd thinks. AUSTIN is a wanted man and wont even sniff the bottom of the 1st. the cats out of the bag and to many teams no this isnt another one hit speed wonder you see hocking video games to over grown teenagers in the mall. he is a DOMINANT THREAT at 3 different positions.

    this draft is UNDER RATED and outside of AUSTIN, TRUFANT, DJ HAYDEN EIFERT and WARMACK , all guys with dominant game, freakish talent, there are dozens upon dozens of players i would be very happy with in the rounds 3-5. good players. starters. THIS FIRST 3 PICS absolutely have to be HOME RUN HITTERS, BPA's at every pic with our 1st and 2 second rounders. no reach at pass rusher and no tackles or o-line other than warmack. i like cooper, a whole lot. but, he isnt the freekish talent that warmack is, and warmack is a talent on the line you see come around ever other decade or so.

    POINT MAKERS AND BALL HAWKS, PERIOD!!!
    IMO Cooper is a better fit in our offense than Warmack. Love your overall philosophy. Hope this is our FO's conviction as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ikkonz View Post
    Still hoping for either Dee Milliner (if he drops or we trade up) or Xavier Rhodes. We've got tools on offense, lets solidify the secondary and keep opponents off the field.
    well i figured xavier rhodes name would come up...i see him as more a cover 2 corner although with his speed i won't just label him as that...the problem i have with rhodes is i think he's gonna have some similar problems with balance and not taking false recovery steps and matching feet with smaller quicker wrs that sean smith has...that he's gonna be off balance when guys make cuts and cross his face...that his feet aren't quick twitch enough and given his length that he's gonna be another elite athlete for his size but not for the boundary corner position...

    i do however think he has better tools than sean smith but i don't know that they are elite corner tools...

    he may well go at pick #12 to us...but i'm not endorsing it...
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    to me if you're gonna draft someone with a top 20 pick you should be playing to his strengths and what you graded him so high in the first place with...not asking him to be something else...i think that's where you can get yourself in trouble...so much projection with a position switch.
    YES, YES and YES!!!!!!

    and this is where the finz shot callers have blown it over the years. a PERFECT EXAMPLE is a couple years back when we needed SAFETY help in the worst way. and wouldnt you know it, our pick is up and we have EARL THOMAS, one of the best safety prospects in while is sitting in our lap. a top 5 pic on most boards around the country. a NO BRAINER, right?

    we trade WAY down and select ODERICK who still hasnt proved much, not for a 1st round choice, and THOMAS is collecting pro bowls!!!! and the extra pics we got in that trade were no where.

    like i said, a NO BRAINER, accept where the dolphins are concerned. and this is where IRELAND cant make the same mistake AGAIN!! we have a couple BLUE CHIP PLAYERS, who are actual NEEDS that could be available at #12, AUSTIN, TRUFANT, EIFERT. the only allowance here is WARMACK who we could trade down a few spots and land. a probable HOF guard. and thats IF the finz are determined to go o-line. i prefer the CB or AUSTIN, but, we do NEED guards and warmack is the best to come around in MANY years.

    as long as it is a REAL TALENT, a top player at his position, they could take any of those mentioned players and it would be RIGHT for a change.

    SCORE THROUGH THE AIR or STOP THE PASS. our two biggest needs. there are a handful of players who fit that bill who will probably be there at #12.

    and i would say that hands down, CB is the biggest need as we have NO ONE good and our f/a choice is a MAJOR injury concern. probably the worst injury you could have as a DB. but........., AUSTIN is an other worldly talent, a guy who dominates at 3 different positions. that doesnt come along all the time. hardly EVER happens. and even though we brought in some wr's who can produce, austin is a whole different animal, a guy who is blinding fast and causes mismatches across the board. this is the ICING ON THE CAKE, THE GUY WHO OPENS IT ALL UP, THE GUY WHO PUTS DEFENSES IN CONSTANT MAN ON MAN WITH NO ROOM TO CHEAT UP OR ROLL COVERAGES. its pitch and catch to wallace, gibson, hartline and austin.

    and i dont have to say what this all does for our run game. we have all heard before about "this guy changes it all, no one will be able to cover us now, blah...blah...., etc.... . austin IS that guy, the real deal that makes an offense like ours almost unstopable [see rams with marshall falk]. and in this day and age of pass at all costs, 40 points a game average teams and bare minimum 4,000 yd/49 td qb's, you HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCORE TO KEEP UP!!

    this draft, our TOP CHOICE has to be a HOME RUN. no more skipping top talent to land more watered down talent later.
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