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    North Carolina introduces law to establish Official State Religion

    But now, in what can only be seen as the coup de grâce in a Republican rebellion against the U.S. Constitution which is sweeping the nation, legislators in North Carolina are preparing to take on one of the most fundamental notions upon which our nation was founded—the freedom of religion and the importance of that pesky wall that separates church and state.

    Meet North Carolina Representatives Carl Ford (R-China Grove) and Harry Warren (R-Salisbury), the primary sponsors of a bill introduced into the state’s General Assembly that would clear the way for the state to adopt an official, state religion.

    The proposed law, introduced earlier this week, states that the Establishment Clause in the First Amendment—which prohibits Congress from passing laws respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise of religion in America—simply does not apply to the states. The bill goes on to proclaim the sovereignty of the states in this matter while proclaiming that each state is free to make its own laws respecting an establishment of an official religion and that such an establishment cannot be blocked by either Congress or the judiciary.
    If you are of the mind that these North Carolina lawmakers have it right, allow me to introduce you to Lemon v. Kurtzman, 403 U.S. 602 (1971), the U.S. Supreme Court case that established the three-pronged test—called “The Lemon Test”— for determining when a state has run afoul of the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause:

    The law or state policy must have been adopted with a neutral or non-religious purpose.
    The principle or primary effect must be one that neither advances nor inhibits religion.
    The statute or policy must not result in an “excessive entanglement” of government with religion.
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    North Carolina introduces law to establish Official State Religion

    Republicans should split off from the religious element that has invaded their party. It is very difficult to present itself as the party that defends the constitution at all costs, yet continues to defend this anti-constitutional lunacy that emanates from its religious fringe.
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    Never quite understood things like this. Seems to me like even if you are devoutly religious you should be all for separation of church and state because that wall of separation protects both ways. It keeps religion out of the government and government out of the church. You'd think the latter would be pretty important if you are religious and have any functioning knowledge of history and current world events.




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    Quote Originally Posted by tylerdolphin View Post
    Never quite understood things like this. Seems to me like even if you are devoutly religious you should be all for separation of church and state because that wall of separation protects both ways. It keeps religion out of the government and government out of the church. You'd think the latter would be pretty important if you are religious and have any functioning knowledge of history and current world events.
    Id agree, but the current political attitude is: you can have it both ways. Recall if you will the health care debates, religious organizations objected to providing birth control at hospitals and what not under the guise of "seperation of church and state". I remember priests and other officials being called in front of commitees to talk about how offensive and unconstitutional it was.
    Of course, many of those same church officials(and especially the politicians egging them on) also have spoken out about the lack of morality concerning our nation and how we need more religion in government. If you object to government intervention while also influencing policy, why wouldnt you do it?

    As for your other point: history and religion have a fluid relationship at best.
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    It's totally illegal and the courts will strike it down. In theory at least.





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    Actually, it was always my understanding that the Establishment clause only applied to the federal government and Congress specifically. Not saying that this is right, but a state government should be able to do this if they choose.

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    Just to be clear, I'm actually against this.
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    The Bill of Rights is still the law of the land and the states still have to abide by it IMO. I would hope so at least. Establishment of religion is a clear violation of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolphins9954 View Post
    The Bill of Rights is still the law of the land and the states still have to abide by it IMO. I would hope so at least. Establishment of religion is a clear violation of that.
    But the state law would only affect North Carolina and no other states. Also, the US Congress passed no law forcing this to happen, so the courts would have no ground to intervene anyway.
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