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    Damn, ohall getting hated on fiercely here today.




    For what it's worth, I called Ricky a helluva lot worse than "loser" when he quit on us to continue being a pothead.

    Don't gimme the "but, he had personal issues" bull****. Boo-****ing-hoo. So, that means he can keep smoking controlled substances without consequences???

    **** that. The rest of us had to grow up after college, it's called taking on the responsiblities of a man. When your job says "don't smoke weed" & "you're subject to random testing" ... guess what a man does? That's right, he lives up to his responsiblities and quits smoking the ganja. Hell, he could've bought his own island after his career ended and then grown & smoked until his lungs tarred over for all I care.




    Frankly, I'm surprised that so many of you have forgotten how Ricky bent us over by "retiring" after the 2004 draft ... the man left us high-and-dry (pun intended) and so many of y'all talk of him as a shining example of all that is right with mankind.



    When he returned to the Dolphins, I made my peace with him - but I never forgot what he did to our team.



    I will say that on the bright side, his selfish decision probably got Wanny fired. So there's that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumpus View Post
    Damn, ohall getting hated on fiercely here today.




    For what it's worth, I called Ricky a helluva lot worse than "loser" when he quit on us to continue being a pothead.

    Don't gimme the "but, he had personal issues" bull****. Boo-****ing-hoo. So, that means he can keep smoking controlled substances without consequences???

    **** that. The rest of us had to grow up after college, it's called taking on the responsiblities of a man. When your job says "don't smoke weed" & "you're subject to random testing" ... guess what a man does? That's right, he lives up to his responsiblities and quits smoking the ganja. Hell, he could've bought his own island after his career ended and then grown & smoked until his lungs tarred over for all I care.




    Frankly, I'm surprised that so many of you have forgotten how Ricky bent us over by "retiring" after the 2004 draft ... the man left us high-and-dry (pun intended) and so many of y'all talk of him as a shining example of all that is right with mankind.



    When he returned to the Dolphins, I made my peace with him - but I never forgot what he did to our team.



    I will say that on the bright side, his selfish decision probably got Wanny fired. So there's that.
    The Wanny part is what I have the most problem forgetting with Ricky and the decision. Not that Wanny was fired, its not like he was some genius football coach or anything. It's just that Ricky's decision had some real world damage that went along with it. Wanny lost his job, so did most of the other coaches. There are families that took the brunt of Ricky's decision right on their chins.

    Who knows what the Dolphins would have been if Ricky didn't retire. Maybe we have a totally dif opinion of Wanny. I doubt it, but you never know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohall View Post
    The Wanny part is what I have the most problem forgetting with Ricky and the decision. Not that Wanny was fired, its not like he was some genius football coach or anything. It's just that Ricky's decision had some real world damage that went along with it. Wanny lost his job, so did most of the other coaches. There are families that took the brunt of Ricky's decision right on their chins.

    Who knows what the Dolphins would have been if Ricky didn't retire. Maybe we have a totally dif opinion of Wanny. I doubt it, but you never know.
    Hell, it's only the Wanny part that I find redeeming. **** that loser Pornstache.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumpus View Post
    Hell, it's only the Wanny part that I find redeeming. **** that loser Pornstache.
    No argument there at all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumpus View Post
    Damn, ohall getting hated on fiercely here today.




    For what it's worth, I called Ricky a helluva lot worse than "loser" when he quit on us to continue being a pothead.

    Don't gimme the "but, he had personal issues" bull****. Boo-****ing-hoo. So, that means he can keep smoking controlled substances without consequences???

    **** that. The rest of us had to grow up after college, it's called taking on the responsiblities of a man. When your job says "don't smoke weed" & "you're subject to random testing" ... guess what a man does? That's right, he lives up to his responsiblities and quits smoking the ganja. Hell, he could've bought his own island after his career ended and then grown & smoked until his lungs tarred over for all I care.




    Frankly, I'm surprised that so many of you have forgotten how Ricky bent us over by "retiring" after the 2004 draft ... the man left us high-and-dry (pun intended) and so many of y'all talk of him as a shining example of all that is right with mankind.



    When he returned to the Dolphins, I made my peace with him - but I never forgot what he did to our team.



    I will say that on the bright side, his selfish decision probably got Wanny fired. So there's that.
    I think Ohall deserves all the static he's getting on this thread and then some. To call his position on this issue incoherent would be an understatement.

    That said, I never understood why RW became a folk hero around here. I'm a Dolphins' fan, not a RW fan. I couldn't care less about how RW chooses to live his life or manage his career. But trading 2 first round picks for him was an unmitigated disaster for the Dolphins. On the plus side, the Dolphins got one amazing season (during which the team failed to make the playoffs), one good season (during which the team failed to make the playoffs) and then the circus.

    On the negative side, the Dolphins traded two first round picks for a player that didn't end up putting them over the top and who then missed a ton of time b/w suspensions, injuries, and screwing around. He probably helped to prolong Wanny's career if anything considering he lasted 2 seasons past the 2002 debacle for which he should have been immediately canned. RW's retirement led directly to the front office's overreaction, resulting in several bad personnel moves in 2004. And then even Saban gets into the act, drafting a sub-par running back with the #2 pick, under the mistaken impression that RW just had to be replaced (as opposed to drafting a QB which is the what Wanny should have done in 2002 instead of trading for a running back).

    RW may be a good guy, but he sure as hell did nothing for this team and I'm confident that things would have turned out better had the trade never been made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob19 View Post
    When is it okay to stop playing football?
    Rob, There is a huge difference between choosing to quit football on your own terms (tiki barber, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, to name a few) quit well ahead of thier playing skills declining, however none of them quit because they were about to fail a drug test. Now obviously you and I may have differing opinions on MJ, (or we may have the same opinion... ) but if either of us had been talented enough and lucky enough to enter the nfl as our chosen profession, we both understand there are things you have to do and things you can't do to stay in the NFL. At the end of the day, Ricky made a choice to smoke weed, and in doing so he said his personal recreational use of weed was more important to him than football. Ricky wasted his talent, there is no doubt about that, and it was his talent to waste, but the only reason he got so many chances to redeem himself was because of his enormous talent. We shouldn't appluade that talent he wasted, anymore than we should encourage our kids to do only half as good as they can do. Have you ever heard a father tell his child, Son, as long as you half ass it, that's all I can ask of you. No? Well that's what Ricky did with his career. He half assed it. Applaud him all you want. Don't be surprised if all I see was a man who wasted it.
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    The trade was most certainly a disaster. Ricky's football career most certainly could have been better. Hard to argue with the football aspect of it. To me though, I dont think Ricky left because he liked weed so much or whatever. I think he left because he was in a fragile mental state that was brought on to some degree by playing football and being a star. I think thats why he really didnt care if he passed or failed a drug test. I just cant bring myself to judge someone who had documented mental issues and left a game that was making those issues worse.




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    People have right to live their lives as they see fit..at least Ricky had the balls the go against popular wisdom live his life on his terms. Him being a talented athlete and in the public eye certainly made his decision even more difficult.





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    Interesting article on espn about Ricky Williams

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    The trade was most certainly a disaster. Ricky's football career most certainly could have been better. Hard to argue with the football aspect of it. To me though, I dont think Ricky left because he liked weed so much or whatever. I think he left because he was in a fragile mental state that was brought on to some degree by playing football and being a star. I think thats why he really didnt care if he passed or failed a drug test. I just cant bring myself to judge someone who had documented mental issues and left a game that was making those issues worse.
    He left for weed. He could have quit at any time before he was suspended. It's not about his words about his actions. Also if he wanted help he could have received it at any time before he was suspended.

    He never thought they'd suspend him. Like most pro athletes he lived in a bubble. He got caught and when it hit the fan he essentially threw a fit and ran away with his ball. He wanted to hurt as many ppl as he could so in his mind they can feel what he was feeling at that moment. Essentially he acted like many addicts.
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