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    Quote Originally Posted by ohall View Post
    I love money and odds are so do you. I'm just honest about it.

    Who said he didn't have issues, who said he didn't overcome them? I'm simply saying his decision to choose a plant over playing football had real world Ramifications that affected real people which in turn affected their lives.

    The fluff piece that was written rubbed me the wrong way. I'm sorry so many of you can so easily forget what he did.

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    Lol I'm as cool As the other side of the pillow. Some of you however are not quite as calm as I am!!!
    Ricky has more money than you. He did then. He does now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohall View Post
    He left for weed. He could have quit at any time before he was suspended. It's not about his words about his actions. Also if he wanted help he could have received it at any time before he was suspended.

    He never thought they'd suspend him. Like most pro athletes he lived in a bubble. He got caught and when it hit the fan he essentially threw a fit and ran away with his ball. He wanted to hurt as many ppl as he could so in his mind they can feel what he was feeling at that moment. Essentially he acted like many addicts.
    Your over-simplification of the situation astonishes me. I hope for your sake your life is not as "simple" as it seems. As far as him wanting to hurt as many people as possible, would you think of it this way if he were injured? I know your answer is no but it wasn't Ricky who put everybody's livelihood on the shoulders of one player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildbill3 View Post
    Rob, There is a huge difference between choosing to quit football on your own terms (tiki barber, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, to name a few) quit well ahead of thier playing skills declining, however none of them quit because they were about to fail a drug test. Now obviously you and I may have differing opinions on MJ, (or we may have the same opinion... ) but if either of us had been talented enough and lucky enough to enter the nfl as our chosen profession, we both understand there are things you have to do and things you can't do to stay in the NFL. At the end of the day, Ricky made a choice to smoke weed, and in doing so he said his personal recreational use of weed was more important to him than football. Ricky wasted his talent, there is no doubt about that, and it was his talent to waste, but the only reason he got so many chances to redeem himself was because of his enormous talent. We shouldn't appluade that talent he wasted, anymore than we should encourage our kids to do only half as good as they can do. Have you ever heard a father tell his child, Son, as long as you half ass it, that's all I can ask of you. No? Well that's what Ricky did with his career. He half assed it. Applaud him all you want. Don't be surprised if all I see was a man who wasted it.
    So you envied his position & wouldn't have made the same choice as him, & the message you want to send to the kids is that you should keep doing something you hate as long as it makes a lot of money, & people feel you owe them something.

    Some of you guys are acting like he's living on the street btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob19 View Post
    So you envied his position & wouldn't have made the same choice as him, & the message you want to send to the kids is that you should keep doing something you hate as long as it makes a lot of money, & people feel you owe them something.

    Some of you guys are acting like he's living on the street btw.
    So you think the opposite message is true? Do something you like, have a mental disorder, rather than get help for it, seek help in an illegal drug, get caught doing that drug, quit football before you are suspended, Suddenly get the urge to play again when you're about to be sued by the team that paid you millions before you quit?


    I don't know how ricky felt about football. You don't know how ricky felt about football. We're all making judgement calls here and basing our opinion on ricky the same way we base our opinion on anyone else. The difference here is that you share/shared something in common with ricky and I do too. You make sacrifices for your family. Ricky only made a sacrifice for his family when the bill came due.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildbill3
    So you think the opposite message is true? Do something you like, have a mental disorder, rather than get help for it, seek help in an illegal drug, get caught doing that drug, quit football before you are suspended, Suddenly get the urge to play again when you're about to be sued by the team that paid you millions before you quit?

    I don't know how ricky felt about football. You don't know how ricky felt about football. We're all making judgement calls here and basing our opinion on ricky the same way we base our opinion on anyone else. The difference here is that you share/shared something in common with ricky and I do too. You make sacrifices for your family. Ricky only made a sacrifice for his family when the bill came due.
    I donít recommend anyone get a mental disorder, but obviously he doesnít control that. Ricky was reportedly sexually abused by his father as a child & apparently has been diagnosed with social-anxiety disorder. You may not view cannabis as a legitimate treatment for that disorder, but thereís probably a few social-anxiety patients whoíd disagree with you. Also in California where Ricky lived during his retirement, cannabis is not illegal.

    I donít know personally, but if I had to guess Iíd think Rickyís family is doing fine & all his kids are provided for. Having 5 kids with 3 women is not behavior Iíd emulate, but itís also not illegal, either. The faux financial concern for his family from some here is a bit transparent.

    The real root of the Ricky hate here comes from what happened to the Dolphins upon his departure (& maybe people have their own conceptions about cannabis use that ties in with that as well). If Ricky were a 3rd stringer & retired when he did absolutely no one wouldíve cared. However, he was our best player, & obviously we had a bad season thereafter. Ricky didnít make Pornstache trade 2 first rounders for him, just like Ricky didnít make Ditka trade his draft away for him. He didnít owe it to anyone to play a second longer then he did. Not Pornstache, not the other professional athletes collecting paychecks, & not the fans either. He was being paid for a service; thatís his job.

    You & I will disagree on this but I do think Ricky has a good message for kids & one that people can learn from. You shouldnít continue doing something you donít want to do just because it makes a lot of money, or people think you owe them, or because people envy your position.

    Iíll also say that Ricky never half-assed it on the field. He didnít half-ass it when he won the Heisman & he didnít half-ass it when he lead the league in rushing. He worked very hard to put himself in the position heís in. Itís not all just about God given talent.

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    Itís too bad Williamsís drug of choice was weed (and whatever mysterious substance caused him to fail that 2006 test) and not alcohol, which is routinely used and abused by NFL players. The league can handle oneóor a hundredódrunken, DUI-stockpiling louts, but if youíre getting high and telling everyone how great marijuana is, well, self-serious jocks like Joe Theismann will say you donít deserve the opportunity to get thrown to the ground by an HGH-popping lineman.

    His biggest sins in the leagueís eyes were asking questions and being able to walk away from millions of dollars, which are precisely the same qualities I wish athletes had more of.

    Williams reminds me quite a bit of Red Sox pitcher Bill Leeóanother guy who unapologetically enjoyed toking and had the bad habit of saying whatever was on his mind, but also a guy who loved the sport he played (Leeís still at it at 64 years old). Thereís scant evidence that the game loved Williams back, but man, did Williams love football. Through all the insults and slings and arrows he took from the media and the league, and before retirement had the third most rushing TDs among active backs. He won a Heisman Trophy at Texas and may have been one of the schoolís two-best all-time players. I canít find a single negative quote from anyone he ever played with. We should all be such disgraces to the game.
    http://www.vice.com/read/godspeed-ricky-williams
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob19 View Post
    I donít recommend anyone get a mental disorder, but obviously he doesnít control that. Ricky was reportedly sexually abused by his father as a child & apparently has been diagnosed with social-anxiety disorder. You may not view cannabis as a legitimate treatment for that disorder, but thereís probably a few social-anxiety patients whoíd disagree with you. Also in California where Ricky lived during his retirement, cannabis is not illegal.

    I donít know personally, but if I had to guess Iíd think Rickyís family is doing fine & all his kids are provided for. Having 5 kids with 3 women is not behavior Iíd emulate, but itís also not illegal, either. The faux financial concern for his family from some here is a bit transparent.

    The real root of the Ricky hate here comes from what happened to the Dolphins upon his departure (& maybe people have their own conceptions about cannabis use that ties in with that as well). If Ricky were a 3rd stringer & retired when he did absolutely no one wouldíve cared. However, he was our best player, & obviously we had a bad season thereafter. Ricky didnít make Pornstache trade 2 first rounders for him, just like Ricky didnít make Ditka trade his draft away for him. He didnít owe it to anyone to play a second longer then he did. Not Pornstache, not the other professional athletes collecting paychecks, & not the fans either. He was being paid for a service; thatís his job.

    You & I will disagree on this but I do think Ricky has a good message for kids & one that people can learn from. You shouldnít continue doing something you donít want to do just because it makes a lot of money, or people think you owe them, or because people envy your position.

    Iíll also say that Ricky never half-assed it on the field. He didnít half-ass it when he won the Heisman & he didnít half-ass it when he lead the league in rushing. He worked very hard to put himself in the position heís in. Itís not all just about God given talent.



    http://www.vice.com/read/godspeed-ricky-williams
    Where did I say he half assed it on the field? care to show me that? I'm waiting. He half assed his career. He did so by choosing willfully to partake weed. Whatever his problems were leading up to that point, he screwed up and made a decision that affected his career. Now as to the rest of it, stop deflecting.
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    Interesting article on espn about Ricky Williams

    Quote Originally Posted by beast_mode View Post
    Your over-simplification of the situation astonishes me. I hope for your sake your life is not as "simple" as it seems. As far as him wanting to hurt as many people as possible, would you think of it this way if he were injured? I know your answer is no but it wasn't Ricky who put everybody's livelihood on the shoulders of one player.
    It is beyond me why you guys have to get personal with everything. I am simply giving you my opinion based on my nine years working in the psych field, and with specifically with drug addicts. I may be 100% incorrect, but that is how I see the situation that took place with Ricky.

    In my life's experience most things basically boil down to the simplest thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalrus View Post
    Ricky has more money than you. He did then. He does now.
    Lol What does that have to do with anything? You used to be better at your trolling attempts, used to be.
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    PTSD and Social Anxiety Disorders are pretty big factors in your cognition and approach, to dismiss this and just attribute Ricky's perception as some sort of addict is just plain silly.
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    Been one of my biggest issues with him. Every single year, EVERY YEAR, he makes one completely boneheaded signing that makes you think he went on a massive coke bender the night before, slept in the office, woke up still high as **** and started making calls to anybody that would answer at 4 AM on a weekday; which is apparently **** players like Naanee, Colombo, Barbie Carpenter, etc.
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    Whatever. We disagree. No biggie.

    You value getting statistics in a game more then he valued it. If you think that makes him a loser then you're entitled to that opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob19 View Post
    Whatever. We disagree. No biggie.

    You value getting statistics in a game more then he valued it. If you think that makes him a loser then you're entitled to that opinion.
    I've explained his decision had serious repercussions for other ppl within the Miami Dolphins organization. Some of those people put their necks out to help him resurrect his football career. The MAIN reason I feel as I do about Ricky is because he obviously never spent a moment thinking about how his decision would harm those ppl and their families.

    I cannot understand why the ppl that defend him constantly ignore this reality.
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