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Thread: Why aren't more national draft "experts" talking about Reid Fragel?

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    Why aren't more national draft "experts" talking about Reid Fragel?

    I just watched about 30 minutes of tape on this guy and he is exactly what we need....big, athletic, strong, smart. Perfect fit for the zone blocking scheme. I don't understand how most mocks have him as a 3rd or 4th round pick. This guy looks like an instant starter at RT and has the athleticism to be the long term answer at LT. His college tape looks much better than Jonathan Martin's college tape. I'm so pumped after watching this guy I'd have no problem if the Dolphins picked him with the 4nd pick?

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    Honestly I just watched his Michigan State tape and it was just very average across the board. It seemed like the best part of his game was his feet when getting back into pass pro but he got overextended a ton, especially at the second level. And he seemed to have pretty marginal awareness (saw him fall for at least 1 stunt). The other thing I noticed was in the run game if he didn't get a solid push right off the bat he'd get stalemated and struggled to keep his feet moving. Overall I think 5th round range seems about right, but it's only one game. Great block to cap it tho.
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    An OLinemen ranked 10th-15th at his position ain't getting enough 'expert' talk and attention?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twitches Brew View Post
    An OLinemen ranked 10th-15th at his position ain't getting enough 'expert' talk and attention?

    Well that's exactly my point. He shouldn't be ranked that low. He's going to be drafted much lower than he should, much like Eric Winston was. Someone's going to get a steal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Playmaker76 View Post
    Well that's exactly my point. He shouldn't be ranked that low. He's going to be drafted much lower than he should, much like Eric Winston was. Someone's going to get a steal.
    What games were you watching out of curiosity? Cause I wasn't seeing much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grushcow View Post
    What games were you watching out of curiosity? Cause I wasn't seeing much.
    Michigan State, Illinois, and Michigan. The Michigan State game was his worst but I am going to give him a pass on that game as it was only his 5th game ever playing OT (He played TE his first 3 years). He looked much better against Illinois and Michigan. You can see his improvement. I was encouraged by how easily he handled DE Buchanon from Illinois, a pass rushing specialist that's going to be drafted in the 3rd round. Fragel just needs experience. He is 6'8 and very athletic. You gotta keep in mind last year was his first and only year he played OT much like Eric Winston in college. He has all the tools to be a really solid RT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Playmaker76 View Post
    Michigan State, Illinois, and Michigan. The Michigan State game was his worst but I am going to give him a pass on that game as it was only his 5th game ever playing OT (He played TE his first 3 years). He looked much better against Illinois and Michigan. You can see his improvement. I was encouraged by how easily he handled DE Buchanon from Illinois, a pass rushing specialist that's going to be drafted in the 3rd round. Fragel just needs experience. He is 6'8 and very athletic. You gotta keep in mind last year was his first and only year he played OT much like Eric Winston in college. He has all the tools to be a really solid RT.
    I'll give the other 2 a look, didn't realize he was so new to the position.

    I just watched the Illinois game. I pretty much echo what I said before, pretty sloppy footwork and a lot of wasted movement, do see some improvement tho and the CBS scouting report agrees with you. His awareness leaves a lot to be desired and he seems a little lost at the second level. What I do like is he seems to hold his own against solid competition and shows pretty well in pass protection for a guy who's new to the position. I think the 5th round is where he belongs as a developmental guy with starting upside. I don't think he really fits with us, just because we have a guy just like him who at least has a couple years learning at the NFL level in Will Yeatman. Just my opinion.

    Here's his scouting report from them which I think is pretty accurate:

    STRENGTHS: Looks the part with good height and length along with the frame to continue and add weight. He is an athletic player with good quickness to get to the second level and blocking in space. Fragel does a nice job using effective angles, squaring his shoulders to rushers and mirroring well.He plays tough and did a nice job not giving up despite taking some lumps in his first season on the offensive line, showing steadily improvement with each game. He has some experience on both sides, seeing action at LT in the Purdue game.


    WEAKNESSES: Fragel plays with messy footwork and lacks the quickness to consistently hold up on an island. He needs a lot of technique work and is often caught lunging and off-balance, too often hunched over at the waist because he lowers his eyes and doesn't move his feet. Fragel needs to improve blocking in motion and improve his awareness, often underestimating the speed of rushers.
    He extends well but allows too many rushers into his body and gets too grabby, struggling with holding calls and other penalties (mostly false starts). Fragel looks confused at times with extra rushers and needs to play smarter and work with his linemen. He needs to develop his mean streak and amp up the intensity, playing with more consistent aggressiveness.


    Compares to: Brandon Mosley, OT, New York Giants - Like Mosely, Fragel is a former tight end who still needs a lot of improvements with his technique and intensity before being NFL-ready.
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    He's tough to beat on an outside rush because it's a $50 cab ride to get around him. The problem is, despite Combine type numbers, he's not fast. He's not that agile, on the field. His inside shoulder is vulnerable and I question whether he can move the way he needs to in zone protection to adjust and pick up different pass rushing targets as they present themselves as threats. If you've got a really mobile guy like Lance Louis at right guard then you can cover up some of that weakness. But if you've got John Jerry...good luck.

    I don't see him and think "zone". I just don't. He kind of compares to a Sebastian Vollmer a little bit, but I think kind of a watered down version with more weaknesses.
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    mid round level prospect but i'm not sure i see zone fit guy...which is why i left him off my targets...
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