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Thread: Anyone else not sold on Millner?

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    Anyone else not sold on Millner?

    I've been watching a lot more of his tapes since the media has said were interested in him.

    No doubt he's a good corner, I just wonder if he's really THAT much better than the next tier.

    great speed good awareness plays the ball well but he's not really as agressive as i'd like the number 1 corner in the draft to be. He's a decent tackler (anything is a upgrade from Smith i guess) but I really question if he was on another team that wasn't so staked with talent how he'd do. A team that doesn't absolutely dominte the opposing teams O line and only give the QB a few second to make an errand throw.

    Again, I'm not going to act like i know an extreme amount about this guy so if anyone here can fill me in on why he's the clear cut #1 CB in their mind please elaborate.
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    Well for what it's worth Mike Maylock is not sold on him being the number 1 CB either. He likes Hayden from Houston (hope I spelled that correctly). If Mike is correct both should be available at 12. I would be happy with either
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallace17 View Post
    I've been watching a lot more of his tapes since the media has said were interested in him.

    No doubt he's a good corner, I just wonder if he's really THAT much better than the next tier.

    great speed good awareness plays the ball well but he's not really as agressive as i'd like the number 1 corner in the draft to be. He's a decent tackler (anything is a upgrade from Smith i guess) but I really question if he was on another team that wasn't so staked with talent how he'd do. A team that doesn't absolutely dominte the opposing teams O line and only give the QB a few second to make an errand throw.

    Again, I'm not going to act like i know an extreme amount about this guy so if anyone here can fill me in on why he's the clear cut #1 CB in their mind please elaborate.
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    ahhhh your crazy. I hope that attitude drops him all the way to #12. Considering our schedule we're going to need all the help we can get in the secondary
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    To my eyes, the advantage of Milliner is he is pro-ready. You could plug him in Day 1 and expect him to be fairly solid.

    But I question his upside. I think you're drafting 90% of his potential already. I just don't see him as an elite player at the next level, so much as a solid contributor.

    Rhodes has upside. Amerson has huge upside (though arguably a lot less pro-ready). Trufant has some upside. Poyer has tremendous upside, imo. Ditto Alford. Hayden I'm not so sure about as I haven't really looked at him.

    With these guys, the first season or so could be rocky. They could leave you wondering after 6 months if you shouldn't have just gone up and taken Milliner. But over time, I think some of them will repay that faith in spades. Whereas with Milliner he's going to have to work his tail off just to justify where he was drafted in the first place.
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    I agree he is not at the same level as P. Peterson or Morris Claiborne, and might question taking him in the top 6. However I'd be happy to take him at 12. Talent equaling vale would be in the 8-13 range. He started 2 years but is essentially a 1 year wonder since the big CB from Bama was in the other side prior
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fin Thirteen View Post
    To my eyes, the advantage of Milliner is he is pro-ready. You could plug him in Day 1 and expect him to be fairly solid.

    But I question his upside. I think you're drafting 90% of his potential already. I just don't see him as an elite player at the next level, so much as a solid contributor.

    Rhodes has upside. Amerson has huge upside (though arguably a lot less pro-ready). Trufant has some upside. Poyer has tremendous upside, imo. Ditto Alford. Hayden I'm not so sure about as I haven't really looked at him.

    With these guys, the first season or so could be rocky. They could leave you wondering after 6 months if you shouldn't have just gone up and taken Milliner. But over time, I think some of them will repay that faith in spades. Whereas with Milliner he's going to have to work his tail off just to justify where he was drafted in the first place.
    Don't see how a guy with Poyer's physical limitations has more upside than Milliner. I mean, I like Poyer for Miami. Good ball instincts, but he's not big or fast enough to play man with the better WR's in the league.
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    there's not much upside with poyer but he's very good in off coverages and zone...has good ball and route recognition and instincts...damn good cod and hips and feet...lacks long speed and terrific burst...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooshoops View Post
    there's not much upside with poyer but he's very good in off coverages and zone...has good ball and route recognition and instincts...damn good cod and hips and feet...lacks long speed and terrific burst...
    Think he has to be on our radar. Good fit. Can move into the slot too, and he tackles really well for a guy that size. But I think 77 is where we start giving him a look - with guys like Alford, Amerson, Taylor to likely be available at either 42 or 54. Seemed like Alford might blow up after the combine (especially after showing well at Senior Bowl Week), but the rise of Hayden and Taylor (and maybe even Amerson) have taken the media spotlight. I have Alford and Taylor pretty much tied as prospects. I think Alford has a lot of man upside. To me, he has the best natural movement of any CB in this class. Has great flexibility. Taylor, though, is a force on the field, and he's a better fit for Miami. Much better hitter, more of a play maker.

    Like Poyer, Amerson projects better to teams that are going to run a lot of zone, but the reasons are different. I think Amerson can improve in man, but I don't think it'll ever be a strength for him. He's just too tight in the hips - whereas for Poyer it's size and lack of speed. Amerson is the bigger, better athlete, and he has a fallback position at safety, so I think Miami will prefer Amerson.
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    I dont think he is worth a trade up if that is what you are asking. The only player I would trade up for is Dion Jordan, but not into the top 5 either. AT #12, if Millner is there I would take him EASILY and not give it a second thought. The kid has all the goods you are looking for and is a very complete player. He single-handedly shut down Tyler Eifert in the title game. He can cover the slot, outside, TEs, Zone, Man, WHATEVER you want. He is well worth the #12 pick. Top 5 maybe not.
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