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    A Very Simple Look at An Albert Trade

    I know that the Albert potential trade has had a number of threads, posts, and opinions. I believe this is a little different, and worth a new thread. If posters disagree, I will delete it.

    For the moment, let's leave the money aspect to Ireland and Dawn to worry about, as there are MANY fans who do not fully understand the cap, and how contracts work. I recall a happier and simpler time when no one had to care.

    Supposedly, Albert will cost us a #54 pick. He is a good to VG LT which we need. He is a proven player who is 28, and could be the LT answer for the next 5 years in keeping our franchise (aka Tannehill) on his feet.

    We could trade up for Johnson, an athletic young LT with a very high ceiling to be something special. This would cost the #12 pick, the #54 pick, and likely more.

    So, who here would trade a proven LT (in Albert) and our top pick (pass rusher, Eifert, potential Pro Bowl OG or DT) for Johnson's potential to be special?

    When you put it like that, which is the way it is, anyone making that trade?
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    I'd take the 2 players over moving up for one IN THIS CASE, since the lack of truly elite talent in this draft. But lol this isn't some new revolutionary idea, such ideas were talked about in the other thread(s).

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    I think you look at the trade more if the demand of second goes to a third and the team can agree on long term deal. The upside is there is no possible camp hold out which could happen with a high draft pick and they miss a lot of very valuable camp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis34 View Post
    I'd take the 2 players over moving up for one IN THIS CASE, since the lack of truly elite talent in this draft. But lol this isn't some new revolutionary idea, such ideas were talked about in the other thread(s).
    I have no time to read all posts here but, did say that if there was a problem, I would delete. I see that others have responded to this thread with there posts.
    Last edited by Fin Fan in Cali; 04-20-2013 at 04:28 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southbeach 2 View Post
    I have no time to read all posts here but, did say that if there was a problem, I would delete. I see that others have responded to this thread with there posts.
    I see no reason to delete now... you're already onto page 2 with a discussion going on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis34 View Post
    I see no reason to delete now... you're already onto page 2 with a discussion going on!
    Bro I think Southbeach 2 was just trying to get to the nuts and bolts of the topic and perhaps from a different point of view as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis34 View Post
    I see no reason to delete now... you're already onto page 2 with a discussion going on!
    My post was edited, I always use their where it applies. :0 I tried to put this trade in perspective, not knowing how it was done before. However, I never put up yet another logo thread. LOL

    IF you have a problem with it, I would suggest not posting to it. Simple solution, No?

    I have read many a good post from you. This is not one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southbeach 2 View Post
    My post was edited, I always use their where it applies. :0 I tried to put this trade in perspective, not knowing how it was done before. However, I never put up yet another logo thread. LOL

    IF you have a problem with it, I would suggest not posting to it. Simple solution, No?

    I have read many a good post from you. This is not one of them.
    Sorry! I feel like an ass now. I didn't mean to come off like that, I'm actually on board with what youre saying
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    Our needs are straight forward: Premier players. With our assets this spring we need to target premier players. I would try to go 2-0, via standing pat at 12 and weighing our options as the early picks played out, and then look to move into the first round, or earlier in the second round, by packaging some combination of 42 and 54 along with other picks.

    2-0 is a great day. I've mentioned that before in relation to my betting. We should strive for 2-0. Two premier players, Pro Bowl types. Jim Valvano's think/laugh/cry is a great day and also quite steep. You're adding that extra hurdle.

    Albert is not a premier player. It would be the same flawed thought process that we've specialized in for decades. Sloppily patch this hole, just like we're determined to patch the stadium. Far more astute to allow that weakness to remain and hope something falls our way, while making darn sure we give ourselves the best logical and mathematical opportunity to acquire special talent.

    Every year you get the crap conventional wisdom that this draft is deep and strong into the late second round, or extends into the mid third round. Whatever. Subjective muck muck that must sound great to type out. Meanwhile, over a long sample the results spit out the same, that first round through early second round provides the greatest opportunity for a Pro Bowl or similar caliber player. We should invest our additional resources in 2013 along those lines. If we trade for this guy Albert, he's a talented pass blocker who was a prime pick several years ago, and in all likelihood has already spent his best years. A self centered player with back issues might surprise on the high end, but it's certainly not the favorite. More likely it's simply another B or B- player instead of C or C+, which doesn't do you any good.

    In a short game you might win with a pair of 9s. To win the league, stockpile aces.

    In the middle rounds, I would target the positions considered deepest. That is one aspect that seems to hold up. We blew it in the tight end draft a few years ago, and in the wide receiver draft last season we allowed T.Y. Hilton to slip past us, in favor of a tight end, even though there was a well known gap between the top rated tight ends and the next tier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awsi Dooger View Post
    Our needs are straight forward: Premier players. With our assets this spring we need to target premier players. I would try to go 2-0, via standing pat at 12 and weighing our options as the early picks played out, and then look to move into the first round, or earlier in the second round, by packaging some combination of 42 and 54 along with other picks.

    2-0 is a great day. I've mentioned that before in relation to my betting. We should strive for 2-0. Two premier players, Pro Bowl types. Jim Valvano's think/laugh/cry is a great day and also quite steep. You're adding that extra hurdle.

    Albert is not a premier player. It would be the same flawed thought process that we've specialized in for decades. Sloppily patch this hole, just like we're determined to patch the stadium. Far more astute to allow that weakness to remain and hope something falls our way, while making darn sure we give ourselves the best logical and mathematical opportunity to acquire special talent.

    Every year you get the crap conventional wisdom that this draft is deep and strong into the late second round, or extends into the mid third round. Whatever. Subjective muck muck that must sound great to type out. Meanwhile, over a long sample the results spit out the same, that first round through early second round provides the greatest opportunity for a Pro Bowl or similar caliber player. We should invest our additional resources in 2013 along those lines. If we trade for this guy Albert, he's a talented pass blocker who was a prime pick several years ago, and in all likelihood has already spent his best years. A self centered player with back issues might surprise on the high end, but it's certainly not the favorite. More likely it's simply another B or B- player instead of C or C+, which doesn't do you any good.

    In a short game you might win with a pair of 9s. To win the league, stockpile aces.

    In the middle rounds, I would target the positions considered deepest. That is one aspect that seems to hold up. We blew it in the tight end draft a few years ago, and in the wide receiver draft last season we allowed T.Y. Hilton to slip past us, in favor of a tight end, even though there was a well known gap between the top rated tight ends and the next tier.
    Um, I don't see how picking up albert with the 54th pick stops us from drafting two pro bowlers with the 12th and our other second round pick, or being able to move up with our 2nd and one or two of our other picks. You act like trading for albert undoes every move we've made this offseason and would doom our team to a 7-9 season.

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