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Thread: Trade for Albert NOW before demand goes UP!!!

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    If you believe that LT's are less valuable these days, then you don't trade up and you don't get a guy that costs $9 million per season. You draft one of the tackles in the second round and get a playmaker in the first
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrEd View Post
    Right now it is most likely KC who is holding up the trade, not Miami. Them picking a LT is a foreknown conclusion, so it isn't Miami who would gain leverage on draft day by the Chiefs selecting Joeckel or Fisher. The fact that they are trying to trade Albert reveals that. What gives KC the leverage are the OTHER TWO LTs.

    Once Fisher/Joeckel and Lane Johnson are gone, demand for Albert will RISE.

    SD would then join the Albert sweepstakes by offering their higher 2nd rounder for Albert completely taking the 54th pick out of the picture and forcing our 42nd pick.

    Right now, the demand is only us because DET, ARI, BUF, and SD don't yet know for sure whether Lane Johnson will drop to them or not yet. Once Fisher/Joeckel are gone, Lane Johnson becomes the hottest commodity and then the teams left without that LT and need one badly ie SD and MIA now become the teams to offer KC their 2nd round picks for Branden Albert.

    At this point, those who aren't blind bats can see that SD's 2nd round pick is pick 45. Only our 42nd pick would beat their offer eliminating the 54th pick from the scenario. Right now, if KC bites, we can get away with landing Albert for pick 54. Once the draft comes and Lane Johnson doesn't drop to SD, Albert becomes only available for the 42nd pick because SD's 45th beats out our 54th. Common sense why Ireland and Aponte want to do the trade NOW, not Thursday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrEd View Post
    Uk, that's my exact point. The 3 LTs are so likely to be gone by the 5th pick that even DET is now entertaining offers to trade down. Once Johnson is gone, all those teams from DET, ARI, and SD join the market for Albert and our 54th pick offer goes down the drain and will have to compete with the 42nd pick and then may have to add a late rounder if DET or ARI offer theirs. The leverage goes UP for KC on draft day, not us. Right now the leverage is for us if we trade before those teams know if Johnson is gone by their pick.
    The issue I have with this is that it's doubtful any team will trade for Albert without working out a contract extension first, which KC has to give their permission to. Perhaps a team can work out contract details overnight, but as Miami seems to be finding out he's not giving any discounts.

    I've seen posts saying Miami has the leverage, or KC has the leverage. The one with the leverage is Albert. He's set to collect nearly 9 million this year and doesn't really need to give an inch to anybody.
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    The issue with Albert in my mind is your are buying a part time player for full time money. You have a 20 percent chance or less of him playing the full season. That is not good which means you are in worse shape than what you have right now with Gardner at right tackle and Martin at left tackle with no money in the kitty to bring in a free agent if one of these 2 guys goes down also. Play it safe Ireland if you can sign Winston and Abraham after the draft if thier servicse are needed to one to two year contracts. Let the draft fall to you and grab the best defensive end, offensive lineman, cornerback or wide reciever that is available at pick number 12 and take a chance of the offensive line in the later rounds if necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrEd View Post
    Right now it is most likely KC who is holding up the trade, not Miami. Them picking a LT is a foreknown conclusion, so it isn't Miami who would gain leverage on draft day by the Chiefs selecting Joeckel or Fisher. The fact that they are trying to trade Albert reveals that. What gives KC the leverage are the OTHER TWO LTs.

    Once Fisher/Joeckel and Lane Johnson are gone, demand for Albert will RISE.

    SD would then join the Albert sweepstakes by offering their higher 2nd rounder for Albert completely taking the 54th pick out of the picture and forcing our 42nd pick.

    Right now, the demand is only us because DET, ARI, BUF, and SD don't yet know for sure whether Lane Johnson will drop to them or not yet. Once Fisher/Joeckel are gone, Lane Johnson becomes the hottest commodity and then the teams left without that LT and need one badly ie SD and MIA now become the teams to offer KC their 2nd round picks for Branden Albert.

    At this point, those who aren't blind bats can see that SD's 2nd round pick is pick 45. Only our 42nd pick would beat their offer eliminating the 54th pick from the scenario. Right now, if KC bites, we can get away with landing Albert for pick 54. Once the draft comes and Lane Johnson doesn't drop to SD, Albert becomes only available for the 42nd pick because SD's 45th beats out our 54th. Common sense why Ireland and Aponte want to do the trade NOW, not Thursday.
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    San Diego doesn't have the cap room to make the deal.

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    Keep your picks, the sky isn't falling.. The draft is deep with tackles.
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    Totally disagree with the OP's premise of the situation. Miami is in control and is just doing their due process to make sure the top two tackles are not falling or available. When they are not, the trigger is pulled for B. Albert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TealAttack13 View Post
    I understand his point. He isn't begging the Fins to get this guy, so much as stating the obvious, which is once the 3 are gone, the demand will go up and we will be forced to make a big decision. Frankly, I wouldn't take him for that money, but if he is who they think they want, they can't let the demand go up. I agree with that much.
    I see what you are saying, but you are only seeing one side of this. KC messed up when they tagged Alberts. They knew when they done it they were going to have to move him, but thought they could get more value for him. They have already decided that Stephenson is who they are counting on, and they are going to draft the other tackle. So once they show their cards then suddenly they have 3 tackles on their team and one of them HAS to go.

    At that point it becomes a whole new deal. The leverage doesn't come from who we have to choose from, the leverage comes from all three of those can not be on the team at one time. Since Alberts is making 9 million under the tag, and they can't cut someone they tagged, he has to be traded, or paid 9 million to sit on the bench.

    If we could convince the other teams to all stick together we could probably get them to give him to us and throw in a pick to take him

    That was a joke, but you have to understand what KC has done to themselves by trying to get cute. We could have done the exact same thing with Long. We could have tagged him and then took the best offer possible in return for his rights. But if no one wanted to trade for him we would have been stuck with him. If you understand if we had done that, then you would see that ANYTHING we got for him would have been a LOT better than having to pay him. Even if it was a 7th rd pick. Now KC is finding out what Ireland already knew, selling is not as easy as buying. And has a lot more headaches.
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    MrEd -

    Miami hasn't had him in for a physical, nor have they even received his medical information. I can assure you, KC is not the one holding up this trade
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