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    Don't think we are going to see much from Jordan in his rookie year. Not in terms of stats and such, you might see some flashes but he is a year away from being very useful. No way you are going to see him playing DE this year. OTs will grab a hold of him and he won't be going any where til they let go. Out in space where he can get a head start or fall back into coverage is where you will see him flash this year. He just doesn't have the strength yet to play DE.
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    This is PROBABLY something people already know...but perhaps it's a good reminder.

    Every one of Dion Jordan's 5.0 sacks came before he suffered his shoulder injury toward the beginning of the Colorado game. To that point he had 5.0 sacks, 7.0 TFLs, 2 forced fumbles and 29 tackles in 7 games. After the injury, he had 0.0 sacks, 3.0 TFLs, 1 forced fumble and 11 tackles in 4 games. The surgery he needed was for a torn rotator cuff.

    That's the thing if you get caught up watching the Stanford, USC, Oregon State or Kansas State games. If you're seeing something missing from his game in those films, there's probably a reason. Probably should look more to the Fresno State, Arizona State, Washington State, Arizona and Washington games for good footage on him.
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    For me Jordan is not JT and doesn't appear to be on tape - whether hand in ground or not

    Jordan is an off the edge rusher he is an OLB with the 3/4 - he will be an OLB in the 4/3 and will be asked to blitz or drop into space and cover - he is super fluid on tape

    If people would lay off the strick DE comparisons I think people would breathe easier - the pick is about getting to the QB no one said he had to be a DE
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    This is PROBABLY something people already know...but perhaps it's a good reminder.

    Every one of Dion Jordan's 5.0 sacks came before he suffered his shoulder injury toward the beginning of the Colorado game. To that point he had 5.0 sacks, 7.0 TFLs, 2 forced fumbles and 29 tackles in 7 games. After the injury, he had 0.0 sacks, 3.0 TFLs, 1 forced fumble and 11 tackles in 4 games. The surgery he needed was for a torn rotator cuff.

    That's the thing if you get caught up watching the Stanford, USC, Oregon State or Kansas State games. If you're seeing something missing from his game in those films, there's probably a reason. Probably should look more to the Fresno State, Arizona State, Washington State, Arizona and Washington games for good footage on him.
    BINGO we have a winner......Outstanding points.......it seems that very few if ANY other people on this board know that he played injured after the Colorado game. There are even people who ONLY refer to the USC game and then say he's no good (that's pure crazy talk), I think Dion Jordan is going to be good, really good, but I also believe that he is going to need full year in an NFL weight room
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    Quote Originally Posted by twohype View Post
    BINGO we have a winner......Outstanding points.......it seems that very few if ANY other people on this board know that he played injured after the Colorado game. There are even people who ONLY refer to the USC game and then say he's no good (that's pure crazy talk), I think Dion Jordan is going to be good, really good, but I also believe that he is going to need full year in an NFL weight room
    Those same people who overlooked his injury, like Gruden and others, didn't seem to take it into account when making their analysis; and in turn blasted the pick. I've been nervous about Jordan, but, am no fool not to realize how good he could be, if utilized correctly. Until than I remain nervously optimistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by finfan54 View Post
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    Thanks for your input fin
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    I cant beleive people have serious issues with him being a DE. Jason Taylor was straight up a DE at 240 day one in a 4-3. This kid is 250.

    I remember when Taylor came out as a late 3rd round. It raised eyebrows because he was from Akron and everyone in creation knew he was raw. That it would be a couple of years until he blossomed. Well, he blossomed and it took about the length of time they thought it would.

    So it has been proven that you can have a body type like this and be successful in a 4-3.

    So Mayock and others said they wonder how he will work in our system, then the next thing Mayock says he reminds him mostly of Jason Taylor. Well, Taylor played in 4-3 most his career. Its not rocket science and our coaching staff has already thought about this and he will eventually be able to transition to a 3-4 defense like JT did as well because of his body type and ability.

    only one thing. Jordan comes from a bigger program in Oregon, so the rawness is not something to worry about. And JT didnt have a guy like Wake around when he came in. Very avg. guys I recall. This kid is coming into a ripe situation. I see this kid hitting the weight room in a hurry like every one else and he will be looking at Wake's six pack abs and will be motivated. The kid is going to shine and Coyle will use him as a DE.

    Why? Because its much easier to do first year in the NFL. He will likely be used on DL for ST's to block kicks. Something him and Vernon will excell at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by finfan54 View Post
    I cant beleive people have serious issues with him being a DE. Jason Taylor was straight up a DE at 240 day one in a 4-3. This kid is 250.

    I remember when Taylor came out as a late 3rd round. It raised eyebrows because he was from Akron and everyone in creation knew he was raw. That it would be a couple of years until he blossomed. Well, he blossomed and it took about the length of time they thought it would.

    So it has been proven that you can have a body type like this and be successful in a 4-3.

    So Mayock and others said they wonder how he will work in our system, then the next thing Mayock says he reminds him mostly of Jason Taylor. Well, Taylor played in 4-3 most his career. Its not rocket science and our coaching staff has already thought about this and he will eventually be able to transition to a 3-4 defense like JT did as well because of his body type and ability.

    only one thing. Jordan comes from a bigger program in Oregon, so the rawness is not something to worry about. And JT didnt have a guy like Wake around when he came in. Very avg. guys I recall. This kid is coming into a ripe situation. I see this kid hitting the weight room in a hurry like every one else and he will be looking at Wake's six pack abs and will be motivated. The kid is going to shine and Coyle will use him as a DE.

    Why? Because its much easier to do first year in the NFL. He will likely be used on DL for ST's to block kicks. Something him and Vernon will excell at.
    I am not listening to Mayock so my impression is just what I see -> i have no prob with Mayock

    My overall point is it doesn't matter whether DE or OLB -> he is going to be on the field 3 downs guaranteed -> he is behind because of injury -> in the near future i see a hybrid OLB rushing off the edge but also good in space, containing the mobile QB going balls to the wall to clobber Manning and Brady.

    I can telll you from experience the rotator cuff recovery is not something you just hit the weights with right off the hop -> but he will be a monster
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