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Thread: Do we need anymore defensive upgrades or are we set?

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    If Taylor becomes a good corner then no.

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    Not really concerned about Clemons. He will get better twice, once thru natural progression and then from the elevated play of the rest of the defense. CAN we upgrade there, yes but, it isn't a dire need. He will be fine next season. Even with Clemons back there, I see no weaknesses. Dline is stacked, LBs look very good and the secondary is now very good(hopefully Taylor will pan out). Not much competition on D though. I figure the only spots open for competition is one CB spot, RDE and OLB or wherever Misi will play. Grimes, Clemons, Jones are set in the secondary. Wheeler and Ellerbe are set at LB. Wake, Solai, Starks are set on the dline. Only spots that have comp are OLB, RDE and CB. I'm hoping Jenkins can beat out Misi. Taylor to beat out Marshal or Patterson, which ever isn't cut. And I really want Vernon to beat out Odrick for the RDE spot. Jordan will be a back up or 3rd own player this season.
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    Do we need anymore defensive upgrades or are we set?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phinatic8u View Post
    If Taylor becomes a good corner then no.

    You can't have studs at every position.
    This. Clemons is a solid player that won't make huge game breaking mistakes, but he won't make huge game breaking plays. Every team needs guys like him that will go out there and give you the same thing every play.
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    After a first down catch I always see Clemons in the picture. I don't know if it was him or the CB that missed the assignment. Most likely it was his assignment or a zone scheme. He doesn't successfully defend a lot of passes but he makes the tackle after the catch. I was hoping he would be released.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atila View Post
    He has proven himself to be mediocre... he wasn't terrible, but didn't really bring anything to the table either. If we don't upgrade his spot, it won't be the end of the world for us, but as of right now, he is definitely not a permanent solution as a starting safety.
    But isn't that a good problem to have?? I remember not that many years ago, I wanna say 09. Our starting FS was shutter Gibril Wilson
    I think we all remember (or chose to black out ) that "wonderful" secondary that season. Man o man how things really have changed. It's gotten so much better so fast and it feels so good WOOOO!! God i love this team! lol
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    I'd love to upgrade everywhere, mainly in the secondary. But, the draft is over and until the training camp cuts, this is our team.

    There will not be a lot we can do a this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atila View Post
    He has proven himself to be mediocre... he wasn't terrible, but didn't really bring anything to the table either. If we don't upgrade his spot, it won't be the end of the world for us, but as of right now, he is definitely not a permanent solution as a starting safety.
    Atila, not trying to be an ass. But there's 64 safeties in the league, not only is Clemons one of the fastest timed safeties, Clemons is coming off his best year for us. Pro Football Focus ranked him sixth in tackling efficiency among safeties.

    Clemons may not have been as accomplished as his counterpart, but he was good enough to be ranked 25th in a field of 87 NFL safeties. His 99 tackles (80 solo, 10 assists, 2 INT) and zero touchdowns helped solidify the center of the field. He allowed just 16 completions on 28 attempts, which is much more than Jones gave up, but still good enough to help him lock down the fifth best NFL rating among safeties with 600 plus snaps.

    So we stand to get a better safety down the line? Yes, but is he as bad as we may believe, the statics don't bear that out..
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    would not mind adding Charles Woodson at FS but i'd be just fine if we don't add anything else to the defense
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    Safeties could stand to be upgraded but the biggest issue on D is having multiple DT come up for FA next year. We either need to resign, replace, or draft for those positions. For this season we're in good shape if the CB situation gets sorted out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CRAZYDOLFAN305 View Post
    Atila, not trying to be an ass. But there's 64 safeties in the league, not only is Clemons one of the fastest timed safeties, Clemons is coming off his best year for us. Pro Football Focus ranked him sixth in tackling efficiency among safeties.

    Clemons may not have been as accomplished as his counterpart, but he was good enough to be ranked 25th in a field of 87 NFL safeties. His 99 tackles (80 solo, 10 assists, 2 INT) and zero touchdowns helped solidify the center of the field. He allowed just 16 completions on 28 attempts, which is much more than Jones gave up, but still good enough to help him lock down the fifth best NFL rating among safeties with 600 plus snaps.

    So we stand to get a better safety down the line? Yes, but is he as bad as we may believe, the statics don't bear that out..
    I don't think you're an ass at all. I saw all those stats, but stats don't tell exactly everything going on. TO BE VERY CLEAR: I'm not hating on Clemons, far from it, I think he is at least decent. He is pretty fast and a pretty solid tackler.

    He didn't give up touchdowns because he was extremely conservative in his coverages - not sure if that was a result of scheme or personnel, but he was CONSTANTLY getting beat underneath. They may not have "credited" him with giving up passes underneath, but that doesn't matter to me - if you watched the games, he had a lot of balls caught underneath his zones. Furthermore, he didn't add anything to a defense that didn't create many turnovers.

    He is going to most likely start this season and that's okay, I don't expect him to be a glaring weakness on our team. But just to reiterate what I said in my previous post, he is not a starting caliber safety on an *elite* defense. That doesn't make him a bad player, not everyone is going to the Pro Bowl.

    Look, those stats are nice as a supplement. They are not an end all, be all. Chris Clemons is not a problem, but last season, he was not the solution either. I expect and I hope he improves next season... but judging him based on his output last season (by watching the games, watching the tape, and not the stats), he was more like top 30-40 safety (which is to say, not the worst, but far from the best).


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