I like how you think the murder rate in countries like Venezuela, Brazil and ****ing Zimbabwe are tremendously relevant to the conversation, though. Hell of a trump card. No way are there, you know, fairly significant variables to why the murder rates in those countries are the way they are.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
So let's disarm the American populace, and watch everything turn into TheWalrus' perfect utopia! No crime, no guns, no worries!
1. That quote is without context. In what respect did he mean it?
2. Jefferson was not a party to writing the Constitution or the 2nd amendment. And even if he had some kind of tangential influence, especially on his close friend James Madison, his voice is but one among many.
3. Jefferson felt that the constitution should be rewritten every 19 years. Here's a quote from a letter to the aforementioned Madison:
http://www.famguardian.org/Subjects/...n/jeff1000.htmOriginally Posted by Thomas Jefferson
So not only did Thomas Jefferson not say what you guys thought he said, he's even telling you specifically to forget what he thinks and make up your own ****ing mind about this stuff.
BTW, every American who was worth a damn to be honored and studied in our history books, has said something among the lines of Washington."Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
First President of the United States
"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
-Thomas Paine"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"
-Patrick Henry"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that … it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; … "
-Thomas Jefferson"The greatest danger to American freedom is a government that ignores the Constitution."
-Thomas JeffersonAs previously stated, anyone who was worth a damn in our history books, disagrees with you. I would confidently say that the men who built one of, if not the greatest empire in human history, are probably more philosophically advanced than you."The best we can help for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
The Federalist Papers at 184-8
"I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally" ~ W.C. Fields
One would think this would be big news in Australia. The only links I've seen are apparently to fake news reports.
I have no dog in this fight. It's interesting to see both sides of the story.
By the way, do you realize that if anyone else used a personal blog as a source you'd respond with a facepalm? I choose not to dismiss your source outright on that basis though.
“I’m somewhat disappointed that more African Americans don’t think for themselves and just go with whatever they’re supposed to say and think."
- Dr. Benjamin Carson