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    Quote Originally Posted by Nublar7 View Post
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    Sounds like the kidney issue did play a part in his drop, probably scared some teams away. At the same time, he has switched medicines, the doctors told him his kidney function will improve and he says it never affected him on the field. Something to keep an eye on going forward, but it sounds like it is more likely not going to be a future problem then it being one.
    Well, he likely wouldn't admit if he was feeling the effects of his problems or he may have attributed it to something else. I'm sure he told all the teams that he never felt like anything was wrong and that very possible since a lot of people with kidney problems don't even realize there is something going on.. Symptoms are generally mild - things like light headedness and fatigue.
    The issue I am trying to understand is why the doctors would be telling him his kidney function is going to improve.. If they told him that that means he does not have kidney scarring. His condition will improve due to medication and diet management, but the kidney itself will never improve function. As I said in my previous post, once your glomerulus is damaged thats it, theres nothing that can be done to bring back their function. That's what leads me to believe there may be some discrepancy in the reporting maybe it's not actually kidney scarring.
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    Is there an actual article besides the blurb on rotoworld? I'd like to find out more information about his condition but I cant find anything else that mentions his kidney problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twitches Brew View Post
    Man, kind of a bummer. It's probably a part (maybe a large part) of why, according to lots of posters here, Ireland 'panicked' and felt like he had to get back into the 3rd once corners started going to grab Davis. Grimes off an ACL and your 2nd-rounder with high blood pressure and kidney problems...should probably plan on needing that depth.
    Yeah that's an interesting point. Thing is, Ireland would've known about the kidney issue before he submitted the pick. So if he decided it wasn't a big issue and then in the next round he decided it was an issue that would show some big time indecisiveness on his part.
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    how did he not know until getting tested? at 42% rate, i would think he'd be dealing with edema. And I don;t know how he can play at a high level even if it doesn't get better. If it stays the same it would be hard. All I know is edema usually goes to the legs but other parts it can too. It would be hard for him to run or run fast as edema to the feet, feels like you're feet are heavy and doesn't feel good to be on you're feet too long. the feeling you get with being upside down the pressure to your head, well theres that pressure to the feat from the fluid retention to the feet and other places. That's what edema is, your kidneys help filter out toxins but also helps with protein. The kidneys from the damage start leaking out a lot of protein and with the loss the body is not able to flush out sodium and toxins in your system. Thats why someone with kidneys damamged, have to have very low salt diets, because sodium retains fluid and thats the last thing you want when your kidneys are retaining fluid and the sodium you're taking in is causing it even more. Plus actually sodium isn't good for the kidneys anyways. but to the other point the reason I know how it feels is because of an rare autoimmune thing that came on (not lupus) and I had the edema and it's not joke. I didn't want to be on my feet that long let alone try running, taylor would be trodding along if he tried running if his kidneys are 42%. Luckily, I had an immuno supressent drug and it stopped my immune systeme from beatin up my kidneys and they healed.

    They aren't 100%, but they are maybe 95% i would say and very slight protein leak and have stayed that way for years and shouldn't be a problem. It makes me curious why his high blood pressure caused this though. Some blood pressure could be tough, but there's lisinprol, which treats blood pressure, but is also supposed to help the kidneys too. I take it, as because the kidneys aren't 100%, my blood pressure is just slightly high, it's only 10mg I take, but the medicine also is to prevent scarring of the kidneys for far down the road say like when I'm 50 or 60 and just help maintain things. I'm surprised why they didn't have him take that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cltchperf View Post
    how did he not know until getting tested? at 42% rate, i would think he'd be dealing with edema. And I don;t know how he can play at a high level even if it doesn't get better. If it stays the same it would be hard. All I know is edema usually goes to the legs but other parts it can too. It would be hard for him to run or run fast as edema to the feet, feels like you're feet are heavy and doesn't feel good to be on you're feet too long. the feeling you get with being upside down the pressure to your head, well theres that pressure to the feat from the fluid retention to the feet and other places. That's what edema is, your kidneys help filter out toxins but also helps with protein. The kidneys from the damage start leaking out a lot of protein and with the loss the body is not able to flush out sodium and toxins in your system. Thats why someone with kidneys damamged, have to have very low salt diets, because sodium retains fluid and thats the last thing you want when your kidneys are retaining fluid and the sodium you're taking in is causing it even more. Plus actually sodium isn't good for the kidneys anyways. but to the other point the reason I know how it feels is because of an rare autoimmune thing that came on (not lupus) and I had the edema and it's not joke. I didn't want to be on my feet that long let alone try running, taylor would be trodding along if he tried running if his kidneys are 42%. Luckily, I had an immuno supressent drug and it stopped my immune systeme from beatin up my kidneys and they healed.

    They aren't 100%, but they are maybe 95% i would say and very slight protein leak and have stayed that way for years and shouldn't be a problem. It makes me curious why his high blood pressure caused this though. Some blood pressure could be tough, but there's lisinprol, which treats blood pressure, but is also supposed to help the kidneys too. I take it, as because the kidneys aren't 100%, my blood pressure is just slightly high, it's only 10mg I take, but the medicine also is to prevent scarring of the kidneys for far down the road say like when I'm 50 or 60 and just help maintain things. I'm surprised why they didn't have him take that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohall View Post
    CK people have different opinions about what TV shows they like or do not like. I would assume what is a BIG issue to one team may not be as BIG an issue to another team.
    Sure, thats fair when we are talking about the personality of a player, certain characteristics, or if the player got caught with weed but a medical issue should be a big issue for all 32 teams. Of course there are teams that inherently take more risk than other during the draft and believe that player could rehab and get better... but with an issue like this that deals with an organ system that should definitely not be taken lightly. Again, I don't want to blow this topic up because we just have a small and likely inaccurate blurb to go on.. One of South Florida's most cherished athletes, Alonzo Mourning, had to deal with kidney scarring and it wasn't an insignificant thing. That's why the blurb doesn't make sense to me..
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    Quote Originally Posted by cltchperf View Post
    how did he not know until getting tested? at 42% rate, i would think he'd be dealing with edema. And I don;t know how he can play at a high level even if it doesn't get better. If it stays the same it would be hard. All I know is edema usually goes to the legs but other parts it can too. It would be hard for him to run or run fast as edema to the feet, feels like you're feet are heavy and doesn't feel good to be on you're feet too long. the feeling you get with being upside down the pressure to your head, well theres that pressure to the feat from the fluid retention to the feet and other places. That's what edema is, your kidneys help filter out toxins but also helps with protein. The kidneys from the damage start leaking out a lot of protein and with the loss the body is not able to flush out sodium and toxins in your system. Thats why someone with kidneys damamged, have to have very low salt diets, because sodium retains fluid and thats the last thing you want when your kidneys are retaining fluid and the sodium you're taking in is causing it even more. Plus actually sodium isn't good for the kidneys anyways. but to the other point the reason I know how it feels is because of an rare autoimmune thing that came on (not lupus) and I had the edema and it's not joke. I didn't want to be on my feet that long let alone try running, taylor would be trodding along if he tried running if his kidneys are 42%. Luckily, I had an immuno supressent drug and it stopped my immune systeme from beatin up my kidneys and they healed.

    They aren't 100%, but they are maybe 95% i would say and very slight protein leak and have stayed that way for years and shouldn't be a problem. It makes me curious why his high blood pressure caused this though. Some blood pressure could be tough, but there's lisinprol, which treats blood pressure, but is also supposed to help the kidneys too. I take it, as because the kidneys aren't 100%, my blood pressure is just slightly high, it's only 10mg I take, but the medicine also is to prevent scarring of the kidneys for far down the road say like when I'm 50 or 60 and just help maintain things. I'm surprised why they didn't have him take that.
    No you will not get edema at 42% efficiency.. There are millons of nephrons in each kidney and this redundancy is good for situations like this. Also its the same reason why you only need one kidney to survive, which is theoretically at 50% efficiency.. What did you have? If its an autoimmune disorder that was affecting ALL your glomeruli and which is why you had the edema. Your kidneys were not working at all. Jamar still has enough kidney function to get by and be largely asymptomatic. You dont really see edema until your kidneys are really messed up.

    There are a lot of medications that effect the kidney.. Medications ranging from antibiotics to asprins. Lisinopril is an ACE inhibitor and that could lead to kidney damage. That is most likely what they were giving him to control his high blood pressure but that could damage the kidneys in certain patients.. We learned you're not supposed to give ACE inhibitors with certain diseases states because the GFR, or filtration rate, can become decreased to dangerous levels and thats what happened with Jamar.

    In other patients, such as yourself, it could actually help lessen the load on the kidney and help it out. You don't have to share with us if you dont want to but do you have diabetes as well? Lisinopril definitely helps improve kidney function in diabetics.
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    Check out the link to the video below.
    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/...-the-NFL-draft

    The NFL.com guys compare the value of the falcons trading up to get Desmond Trufant vs the value of Jamar Taylor and these guys almost all had Taylor as a better or equal prospect even though we got him in the second round. They however did not talk about his kidney concerns. It is definitely an interesting video to watch even though they do not cover the trade up for Jordan



    I think this kid was a steal where we got him. Lets just hope his body heals up. The power of the human body to heal itself once it is being taken care of properly is amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by COMEBACKRICKY View Post
    No you will not get edema at 42% efficiency.. There are millons of nephrons in each kidney and this redundancy is good for situations like this. Also its the same reason why you only need one kidney to survive, which is theoretically at 50% efficiency.. What did you have? If its an autoimmune disorder that was affecting ALL your glomeruli and which is why you had the edema. Your kidneys were not working at all. Jamar still has enough kidney function to get by and be largely asymptomatic. You dont really see edema until your kidneys are really messed up.

    There are a lot of medications that effect the kidney.. Medications ranging from antibiotics to asprins. Lisinopril is an ACE inhibitor and that could lead to kidney damage. That is most likely what they were giving him to control his high blood pressure but that could damage the kidneys in certain patients.. We learned you're not supposed to give ACE inhibitors with certain diseases states because the GFR, or filtration rate, can become decreased to dangerous levels and thats what happened with Jamar.

    In other patients, such as yourself, it could actually help lessen the load on the kidney and help it out. You don't have to share with us if you dont want to but do you have diabetes as well? Lisinopril definitely helps improve kidney function in diabetics.
    nope. thats why i found it weird that you said lisiniprol can hurt the kidneys, because my nephrologist that I saw and still see wouldn't have had me take this if it were to hurt my kidneys, it actually helps mine. Idk why it would hurt some and not mine or others. 42% efficiency seems like a realy low efficiency level unless its for one kidney and the other one is fine and not meaning the overall production of both kidneys. People said once 42% efficiency happens the kidneys can be scarred and renal failure can happen after going lower. I didn't think mine were worse than 42% or lower. They are damaged but I would think if my kidneys were more messed up than that, I would have had kidney failure and never recovered, but I did and my kidneys are pretty good, not perfect of course but pretty good.

    you said you just got done studying the kidney. Are you a doctor or someone in the medical/health care field? Or you a student majoring for a career in the medicual field thus the studying and knowledge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cltchperf View Post
    nope. thats why i found it weird that you said lisiniprol can hurt the kidneys, because my nephrologist that I saw and still see wouldn't have had me take this if it were to hurt my kidneys, it actually helps mine. Idk why it would hurt some and not mine or others. 42% efficiency seems like a realy low efficiency level unless its for one kidney and the other one is fine and not meaning the overall production of both kidneys. People said once 42% efficiency happens the kidneys can be scarred and renal failure can happen after going lower. I didn't think mine were worse than 42% or lower. They are damaged but I would think if my kidneys were more messed up than that, I would have had kidney failure and never recovered, but I did and my kidneys are pretty good, not perfect of course but pretty good.
    Yeah I'm sure your nephrologist is right and it helped you out in your situation, I just said that in certain instances ACE inhibitors would make the problem worse. ACE inhibitors are for bringing down blood pressure but sometimes the kidneys need to ramp up the pressure in order to get enough blood into the glomerulus for filtration. One such example is if you have renal artery stenosis which means the blood going to the kidney is smaller or hardened.. The kidney would release aldosterone to increase blood pressure so that enough blood would push through the stenosis in order to get into the kidney for filtration. If you use ACE inhibitors with these patients, the kidney would not receive enough blood and it will result in kidney failure. I think the would prescribe Calcium channel blockers in this instance.

    I'm not doubting your doctor at all, what I'm saying is that the situation you had could be very different from Jamar so the medication wouldn't be the same. In your situation I would guess that your kidneys were below 42%. Everyone is a bit different but since your kidneys were bad enough to where you had edema then they were barely doing their job. I've seen patients with poorly functioning kidneys that looked completely normal.

    As I said in my previous post, the kidneys do very good job of healing themselves in certain instances but in some cases it's imposible to expect recovery. It sounds to me that you suffered from an acute affliction (quick onset) and once you were given the steroids your kidneys were able heal. So you can and did recover. Chronic kidney problems you wouldn't be able to heal since the kidneys are past the point of healing. I'm glad that your kidneys are working well

    Like you've been told you don't want to be in a prolonged state of renal inefficiency because thats when the kidney gets damaged from not getting enough blood and scarring can develop. So far that sounds like what happend to Jamar but I can't find an article that talks about it more in depth. If he did have kidney scarring then it's not something that his kidneys can recover from but the blurb contradicts itself since it says he is expected to heal So I'm not sure if it is an acute thing or a chronic thing but if it was a situation in which the doctors felt like his kidneys were inadequate I would assume this would be a much bigger story. But yeah, at 42% efficiency most people will be fine outside of the hypertension and fatigue the issue here is that it could easily get worse and worse until he goes into kidney failure.


    The NFL.com guys compare the value of the falcons trading up to get Desmond Trufant vs the value of Jamar Taylor and these guys almost all had Taylor as a better or equal prospect even though we got him in the second round. They however did not talk about his kidney concerns. It is definitely an interesting video to watch even though they do not cover the trade up for Jordan



    I think this kid was a steal where we got him. Lets just hope his body heals up. The power of the human body to heal itself once it is being taken care of properly is amazing.
    Seems like nobody is talking about his kidneys! Thats whats really leading me to believe its not actually kidney scarring they must've made a mistake in that report. It's probably just tubular necrosis which he could recover from. Biggest thing is that they found out about this before it got any worse. I'm surprised they caught it at the combine, I don't think they actually test for kidney function but he must've had abnormally high levels of protein in his urine and they told him that he needs to get it checked out.

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