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Thread: Precision in Nature = Evidence of God

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alter2Ego View Post
    ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:

    For the average person, precision indicates that an intelligent person guided the outcome. According to Webster's New World College Dictionary, the word "precision" is defined as follows:

    "the quality of being precise; exactness, accuracy"


    The reverse of precision is imprecision/inaccuracy/inexactness, which is always the result of an accident or a spontaneous event that happens by chance with no one guiding the outcome. Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary defines an accident as:

    "a nonessential event that HAPPENS BY CHANCE and has undesirable or unfortunate results." (Source: Websters New Collegiate Dictionary)



    Notice that an accident, by definition, is something unplanned aka it "happened by chance." Notice the similarity of the definition for "spontaneous" (as in "spontaneous event").


    DEFINITION OF "SPONTANEOUS":
    "Spontaneous means unplanned or done on impulse."
    http://www.yourdictionary.com/spontaneous




    AGRUMENT #1 FOR AN INTELLIGENT CREATOR:

    Scientific evidence shows there is extreme precision in everything around us in the natural world. This precision renders the evolution theory and Big Bang theory mere fiction, because both theories rely on accidents or spontaneous events. Precision leaves no room for error or for accidental events. Rather, precision requires deliberation.

    Take, for example, the first 60 elements that were discovered on the Periodic Table of the Elements of planet earth. Some of those 60 elements are gases and are therefore invisible to the human eye. The atoms--from which the Earth's elements are made--are specifically related to one another. In turn, the elements--e.g. arsenic, bismuth, chromium, gold, krypton--reflect a distinct, natural numeral order based upon the structure of their atoms. This is a proven LAW.

    The precision in the order of the elements made it possible for scientists such as Mendeleyev, Ramsey, Moseley, and Bohr to theorize the existence of unknown elements and their characteristics. These elements were later discovered, just as predicted. Because of the distinct numerical order of the elements, the word LAW is applied to the Periodic Table of the Elements. (Sources: (1) The McGraw-Hill Encyclopedia of Science & Technology, (2) "Periodic Law," from Encyclopdia Britannica, Vol. VII, p. 878, copyright 1978, (3) The Hutchinson Dictionary of Scientific Biography)


    SIDE NOTE: Laws found in nature, as defined by Webster's New World Dictionary, are:

    "a sequence of events that have been observed to occur with UNVARYING UNIFORMITY under the same conditions."


    QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION:
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    Were it not for the precise relationship among the first 60 discovered elements on the Periodic Table, would scientists have been able to accurately predict the existence of forms of matter that at the time were unknown?

    2. Could the precise law within the first 60 discovered elements (on the Periodic Table) have resulted by chance aka spontaneously aka by accident? Or is this evidence for the existence an intelligent Designer/God who guided the outcome?

    3. Evolution and Big Bang theories both rely upon things happening by chance aka at random. If evolution or Big Bang were credible explanations for the existence of life on earth or the existence of millions of planets in the heavens, how do either theory account for the Periodic Table of the Elements of planet earth in which the first 60 discovered elements are so precise, and so interrelated with one another, that the Periodic Table has been assigned the word "LAW"?
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    Elements are a biproduct of the fusion reaction that takes place inside stars at various stages in their cycles.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shula_guy View Post
    Elements are a biproduct of the fusion reaction that takes place inside stars at various stages in their cycles.
    Blasphemy!!!

    The Flying Spaghetti Monster created them. I'll hear nothing to the contrary.
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    One of the ways that circularity appears is whenever someone tries to argue a point "by definition". Simply put, if you can define your terms any way you like, then you can conclude anything you like without deriving anything new - hence it's circular. It's very simple to do, and doesn't always require someone running to a dictionary to do it. Consider the cosmological argument for the existence of God, which postulates that there must be a some kind of uncaused cause that brought the universe into being. While this alone doesn't prove any particular god - Allah, Yahweh, Brahman, and so on - and theologians most likely know this, it can be used as proof if this first cause is God "by definition". However, this makes the logic as follows:

    We define God as the thing that created the universe.
    God created the universe.
    Therefore God exists and created the universe.

    Simply substitute "God" for something with fewer religious connotations and it would easily highlight the bizarre circularity. Nothing stops us replacing "God" with the Invisible Pink Unicorn precisely because the argument is constructed almost spherically.
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
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    I know not of this Invisible Pink Unicorn you speak of but I'm quite certain The Flying Spaghetti Monster would have him as a pet. Nothing compares to his noodleness.

    "I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally" ~ W.C. Fields

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    I've made this exact point to Statler, who of course responds that my point is not possible without God.

    Stacking circular arguments on top of circular arguments. Donuts are possible, therefore God must exist.


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    God made nature so precise. That must be why millions of new born babies die of debilitating diseases and illnesses.
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    OP is a troll that copies and pastes the same **** into dozens of other message boards to incite people. Google the handle Alter2Ego some time.
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    Asteroids have been bombarding Earth for billions of years on end, at times causing mass plant and animal extinctions. Nature is so precise.
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