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Thread: Clabo contract details/post-June 1st cap space around $17 million

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    I have a feeling there will be a surprise cut or 2 giving Miami added rollover money for next year. So far Daniel Thomas and Dan Carpenter count about $3.5 million that can be added to the $7M-$8M for rollover, that already is available after the rookie signings. If they get daring and cut either Patterson, Marshall or Incognito, that could add as much as another $10 million.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlockz View Post
    Marshall and Patterson are on the list. Patterson signed a three year deal and was cut in the middle of the first year so he has this year and next year left.
    Marshall's cap hit is 6.5 millionPatterson will make 5.4 million that year


    http://overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Te...hins&Year=2014

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    well according to the sites I have seen your numbers are pretty far off.
    I believe that Jason, who does a fantastic job on his site, did not include the cap savings on Dansby and Burnett, as they have not yet taken place. I could be wrong.
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    barring something bad happening up to and thru TC, would have to guess that we'll roll the available 8-10 MIL to next year to cover NEXT years draft - which would leave the ~ 30MIL for FA signings (some of which will clearly be our own).

    even with our expiring/1 year contracts ... we are in a good position. our 'needs' next year, SHOULD be less than this year -- assuming some progress made by rookies and 2d year players.

    with a good year, i do see Grimes resigning and of course Jones ... but all the rest are clearly TBD right now. Soliai, Starks, Keller, Clemons, Clabo, Cogs futures are vastly tied to the performance of the younger kids over the next year.

    add in folks like Patterson, Marshall, Carpenter et al who might not even make it out of camp ....

    the only way i see us in a difficult CAP situation is if our development guys do not step up ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southbeach 2 View Post
    The numbers are what they are. You can disagree with the NFL and NFLPA for giving them but, not me for posting them. I listed the players, playing heavy snaps, and they are few. Gonna have to give me specific examples.
    i'm not disagreeing with your #'s i would hope that you would be posting those as correct if you've done all this homework on the subject and verified the sources...i'm disagreeing with the thought that this team is in a good cap situation in 2014 and 2015...looking at what we have coming up as free agents and how we tailored contracts this last free agency period as in paying em forward...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooshoops View Post
    i'm not disagreeing with your #'s...i'm disagreeing with the thought that this team is in a good cap situation in 2014 and 2015...looking at what we have coming up as free agents and how we tailored contracts this last free agency period as in paying em forward...
    I think its too early to tell but we definately wont have the same room as this year. We also have starters at TE,G,G, T,DT,DT, LB ,CB,S,S as free agents so basically 10 starters. It also doesnt include whatever bonus Wake earns due to incentives. If the lineups stay the same which it never does but basically have half our starters as free agents next year
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    Quote Originally Posted by NY8123 View Post
    Not really, we will be a trim budget in 2014 but beyond that we are good. Not to mention all the agents that we have signed can be cut after 2 years with minimal dead money, even Wallace. Dawn has out done herself to be honest, she's a maneater.
    how is that possible that you can have a less than $4 mil cap hit in 2013 and a $17 mil cap hit in 2014 on wallace and still have to get to $30 mil guaranteed in the contract and get out after year 2 and not eat much??? it's not...you're gonna eat a large chunk if you don't get at least 3 years out of that contract...probably gonna eat good money on any of ellerbe wheeler and hartline if you don't get 3 years out of it given the way we strucutured those contracts with such low hits in 2013...

    it's just not possible to go so low in 2013 and get out the year after if you want to with all that guaranteed money on the table and not take big time hits...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooshoops View Post
    how is that possible that you can have a less than $4 mil cap hit in 2013 and a $17 mil cap hit in 2014 on wallace and still have to get to $30 mil guaranteed in the contract and get out after year 2 and not eat much??? it's not...you're gonna eat a large chunk if you don't get at least 3 years out of that contract...probably gonna eat good money on any of ellerbe wheeler and hartline if you don't get 3 years out of it given the way we strucutured those contracts with such low hits in 2013...

    it's just not possible to go so low in 2013 and get out the year after if you want to with all that guaranteed money on the table and not take big time hits...
    dont see how any of these contracts are structured any better than other teams in the nfl.
    here is harvin and wallace's contract.
    3/12/2013: Signed a six-year, $67 million contract. The deal contains $25.5 million guaranteed -- a $12 million signing bonus and Harvin's first- and second-year base salaries. 2013: $2.5 million, 2014: $11 million, 2015: $10.5 million, 2016: $9.9 million, 2017: $9.95 million, 2018: $11.15 million, 2019: Free Agent

    3/12/2013: Signed a five-year, $60 million contract. The deal contains $30 million guaranteed -- an $11 million signing bonus, each of Wallace's first two base salaries, and $3 million of his third-year salary. Wallace is eligible for annual workout bonuses of $50,000. Another $5 million is available through incentives. 2013: $1 million, 2014: $15 million, 2015: $9.85 million, 2016-2017: $11.45 million, 2018: Free Agent

    here is Dwayne Bowe
    3/4/2013: Signed a five-year, $56 million contract. The deal contains $26 million guaranteed -- a $15 million signing bonus, Bowe's 2013 and 2014 base salaries, and $1.75 million of his 2015 salary. Bowe is eligible for annual $250,000 workout bonuses throughout the contract's life. 2013: $750,000, 2014: $8.75 million, 2015: $10.75 million, 2016-2017: $9.75 million, 2018: Free Agent

    Greg Jennings
    3/15/2013: Signed a five-year, $45 million contract. The deal contains $17.8 million guaranteed -- a $10 million signing bonus and each of Jennings' first two base salaries. Another $2.5 million is available through incentives. Jennings is eligible for annual workout bonuses of $100,000 throughout the contract's life. 2013: $2.9 million, 2014: $4.9 million, 2015-2017: $8.9 million, 2018: Free Agent


    Not much different than Jackson got year before 3/3/13/2012: Signed a five-year, $55,555,555 contract. The deal contains $26 million guaranteed, including a $2 million first-year reporting bonus and all of Jackson's first two base salaries. 2013: $840,000, 2014: $10 million, 2015: $9,777,777, 2016: $9,777,778, 2017: Free Agent13/2012: Signed a five-year, $55,555,555 contract. The deal contains $26 million guaranteed, including a $2 million first-year reporting bonus and all of Jackson's first two base salaries. 2013: $840,000, 2014: $10 million, 2015: $9,777,777, 2016: $9,777,778, 2017: Free Agent

    3/13/23/13/2012: Signed a five-year, $55,555,555 contract. The deal contains $26 million guaranteed, including a $2 million first-year reporting bonus and all of Jackson's first two base salaries. 2013: $840,000, 2014: $10 million, 2015: $9,777,777, 2016: $9,777,778, 2017: Free Agent012: Signed a five-year, $55,555,555 contract. The deal contains $26 million guaranteed, including a $2 million first-year reporting bonus and all of Jackson's first two base salaries. 2013: $840,000, 2014: $10 million, 2015: $9,777,777, 2016: $9,777,778, 2017: Free Agent
    3/13/2012: Signed a five-year, $55,555,555 contract. The deal contains $26 million guaranteed, including a $2 million first-year reporting bonus and all of Jackson's first two base salaries. 2013: $840,000, 2014: $10 million, 2015: $9,777,777, 2016: $9,777,778, 2017: Free Agent
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    3/13/2013: Signed a five-year, $28.5 million contract. The deal contains $10 million guaranteed -- a $6 million signing bonus, Amendola's first-year base salary, and $2 million of his second-year salary. Another $3.3 million is available through incentives. Amendola is eligible for per-game roster bonuses totaling $500,000 annually throughout the contract's life. 2013: $2 million, 2014: $3 million, 2015: $4 million, 2016: $5 million, 2017: $6 million, 2018: Free Agent

    3/7/2013: Signed a five-year, $30.775 million contract. The deal contains $12.5 million guaranteed -- a $7 million signing bonus and each of Hartline's first two base salaries. 2013: $715,000, 2014: $4.785 million (+ $25,000 workout bonus), 2015: $5.9 million (+ $50,000 workout bonus), 2016-2017: $6.1 million (+ $50,000 workout bonuses), 2018: Free Agent

    These are Hartlines and Amedolas contract.

    I think the most overrated headline this year has been the so called great job Aponte has done on contracts. These contracts all seem structured basically the same throughout the league for most part. Not a knock on her but she seems no more a cap genius than the rest of the league
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooshoops View Post
    you got both your starting safeties headed to free agency after this season both your starting dt's your starting solb both your starting corners most likely in grimes and carroll your starting guards in 2012 both free agents your starting right tackle in clabo your starting te in keller headed to free agency...

    shoot...you got a lot of critical needs that must be filled...and you don't want to feel like you are ready to contend and be rolling in a bunch of rookies at these critical spots...

    and you got massive 2014 cap hits like wallace at $17 mil and ellerbe and wheeler and hartline all paying the piper forward that come due...

    great future shape you say???? ehhhh....
    Gotta think about the roster that is being built under the starters. You've got Reshad who is an RFA, we aren't likely to lose him and even if we have to tag him it's very manageable. Clemons is a guy everyone carps about but he is solid, again in house we have Marshall as a potential option and it's not like he's gonna break the bank, he's replaceable. We've got Odrick to slide in for Starks and quality depth at DT, if Randall doesn't show enough we'll have to draft a guy to replace Soliai because I don't think much of Martin. Carroll is no loss and you know that, Grimes will be significant but again we brought in 2 guys in the first 3 rounds that are going to compete for the top 3 spots, they don't replace him but they are options. You drafted Sims behind Keller (small tag for TE's anyway) and Clabo is a stop gap who is also relatively affordable considering he isn't playing a premium position.

    The only guys I consider big losses without anybody on the roster that can develop and fill the role is Grimes. The rest of the guys are replaceable and with the roll over and a lot of big contracts coming off the books (consider the fact we'll likely cut Patterson, Carp anyway) and we are in decent shape. 2014 is the tough cap year, but in the grand scheme of things it's a manageable situation if we have our high draft picks show us something. I read a good article on it, I'll try to dig it up but I know you're well informed anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlockz View Post
    dont see how any of these contracts are structured any better than other teams in the nfl.
    here is harvin and wallace's contract.
    3/12/2013: Signed a six-year, $67 million contract. The deal contains $25.5 million guaranteed -- a $12 million signing bonus and Harvin's first- and second-year base salaries. 2013: $2.5 million, 2014: $11 million, 2015: $10.5 million, 2016: $9.9 million, 2017: $9.95 million, 2018: $11.15 million, 2019: Free Agent

    3/12/2013: Signed a five-year, $60 million contract. The deal contains $30 million guaranteed -- an $11 million signing bonus, each of Wallace's first two base salaries, and $3 million of his third-year salary. Wallace is eligible for annual workout bonuses of $50,000. Another $5 million is available through incentives. 2013: $1 million, 2014: $15 million, 2015: $9.85 million, 2016-2017: $11.45 million, 2018: Free Agent

    here is Dwayne Bowe
    3/4/2013: Signed a five-year, $56 million contract. The deal contains $26 million guaranteed -- a $15 million signing bonus, Bowe's 2013 and 2014 base salaries, and $1.75 million of his 2015 salary. Bowe is eligible for annual $250,000 workout bonuses throughout the contract's life. 2013: $750,000, 2014: $8.75 million, 2015: $10.75 million, 2016-2017: $9.75 million, 2018: Free Agent

    Greg Jennings
    3/15/2013: Signed a five-year, $45 million contract. The deal contains $17.8 million guaranteed -- a $10 million signing bonus and each of Jennings' first two base salaries. Another $2.5 million is available through incentives. Jennings is eligible for annual workout bonuses of $100,000 throughout the contract's life. 2013: $2.9 million, 2014: $4.9 million, 2015-2017: $8.9 million, 2018: Free Agent
    yeah but the difference is those teams didn't make a bunch of high dollar signings all paying it forward...we did with just about everything we did on more than a one year deal...that said like wallace all those players are gonna have to perform or they'll eat large sums of money also or have to sit on non difference makers...

    i'm fine with taking the chance on wallace contract...i'm more concerned about the lbs mainly wheeler...and maybe a little bit hartline but i doubt he'll ever see all that money anyways...
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