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Thread: Herald: Early-vote tally shows Miami Dolphins stadium renovation was failing at polls

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    Anyway, what this proves is that Dolphins were onto something in not wanting a public vote. Ross made that clear months ago, that they preferred to do this through the legislature. Money travels a lot farther there than it does even in a special election where you can turn out "your" people to the polls. That's a detail that people who decried that people weren't "allowed" to vote on the upgrade seemed to miss, that Ross preferred their voice be heard at all, even in theory. And now it turns out the vote would have failed in any case.

    There was a window there to get a new stadium, a brand new one with at least partial public money. But when Ross bought the team he was over the moon at how great the stadium was and so he missed that window. That gave Jeffery Loria the chance to take the bull by the horns and lead it to the public well for a nice long piss.

    The next window won't open at least for another 10 years, imo. Maybe longer, if the Marlins continue to struggle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalrus View Post
    That scoreboard cost $4.2 million. The Dolphins were looking for like $300 million.

    So... yeah.
    Actually your math is incorrect. The entire project was around $350 million with the Dolphins paying just over 70% of the costs. So the Dolphins were looking for about $100 million which is 1/3 the amount you incorrectly posted. $100 million that the franchise would pay back within 30 years. Do you think the Panthers are going to pay back that $4.2 million? Probably not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampire Nicolas View Post
    Actually your math is incorrect. The entire project was around $350 million with the Dolphins paying just over 70% of the costs. So the Dolphins were looking for about $100 million which is 1/3 the amount you incorrectly posted. $100 million that the franchise would pay back within 30 years. Do you think the Panthers are going to pay back that $4.2 million? Probably not.
    Well in actuality the dolphins were asking for about 289 million from bed tax revenues and 90 million from sales tax rebates fo a grand total of 379 million.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampire Nicolas View Post
    Actually your math is incorrect. The entire project was around $350 million with the Dolphins paying just over 70% of the costs. So the Dolphins were looking for about $100 million which is 1/3 the amount you incorrectly posted. $100 million that the franchise would pay back within 30 years. Do you think the Panthers are going to pay back that $4.2 million? Probably not.
    Take it up with Patricia Mazzei and the Miami Herald, bubba. If anything I undersold the number.

    The Dolphins were hoping to get $289 million over 30 years from an increase in the mainland Miami-Dade hotel-tax rate, and $90 million over the same period in state sales-tax subsidies.
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    Yeah I think the Miami Herald is overshooting that number. In the agreement it says that Steve Ross would HAVE to pay for 50% of the cost at LEAST. So if you take your 289 mil plus the 90 mil in sales tax from thing only bought at the stadium you get 379 million...yeah so if Steve Ross payed for 50 % that would give you 758 million...That's new stadium money, not upgrade. The upgrades were suppose to cost 400-450 million. So those numbers you give via the MH don't add up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nublar7 View Post
    In other news the Florida Panthers were granted public money today for a new scoreboard. So public money for the Marlins and Panthers yet the Dolphins were denied.
    You're comparing $400m in renovations...to a scoreboard...c'mon bro.



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    Quote Originally Posted by chriswarren876 View Post
    Yeah I think the Miami Herald is overshooting that number. In the agreement it says that Steve Ross would HAVE to pay for 50% of the cost at LEAST. So if you take your 289 mil plus the 90 mil in sales tax from thing only bought at the stadium you get 379 million...yeah so if Steve Ross payed for 50 % that would give you 758 million...That's new stadium money, not upgrade. The upgrades were suppose to cost 400-450 million. So those numbers you give via the MH don't add up.
    Those are the numbers that were discussed for bill and are accurate. Never saw the 50 or 70 percent adding up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFCMiamiEast View Post
    You're comparing $400m in renovations...to a scoreboard...c'mon bro.
    Still public money. Welfare for billionaires and what not.

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    But even if the measure had made the ballot, Tuesday’s results indicated county voters were opposed regardless of race or party affiliation. Prior to the session’s official start, a survey by Florida International University political science professor Dario Moreno indicated super-majority opposition.

    The Dolphins’ political team and management responded to Moreno’s poll by attacking him and his numbers. They insisted their internal polls, which they never released, showed a majority of voters supporting the proposal.
    And here i thought the Dolphins werent learning politics. Seems they understood the game after all. Granted, they didnt know enough to not make a series of comical mistakes and banked all their efforts on something doomed to fail, but still.

    Did love this part of the article:

    About 42 percent of the electorate was Democratic and 39 percent Republican. The numbers indicate a disproportionately high turnout rate for Republicans, who account for 29 percent of the nearly 1.3 million registered voters in Miami-Dade.

    GOP turnout was so high, in part, because of Republican familiarity with casting absentee ballots by mail, a type of voting the GOP dominates. Also, many Republicans opposed the idea of raising taxes.
    The Miami-Dade GOP took a vote condemning the “corporate welfare,” and a majority of the Republican legislators from the county opposed the stadium deal in the Florida House of Representatives, which refused to take up the bill at the end of session.

    Though the Dolphins blamed House Speaker Will Weatherford for scuttling the bill, the proposal actually stalled before it got to the House floor because of opposition from Miami-Dade Republicans as well as the House budget chief, Seth McKeel, who refused to agenda it for a vote late in the legislative session.

    From that point on, the bill died a slow death and encountered increasingly difficult procedural hurdles in the Legislature’s waning days of session. The measure officially expired on the final day of session, May 3.
    Seems like a bunch of Finheaven posters owe Weatherford an apology email.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nublar7 View Post
    Still public money. Welfare for billionaires and what not.
    Whats sad is commission just voted it. More of the same about hosting events that will bring in so much money to economy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spesh View Post
    And here i thought the Dolphins werent learning politics. Seems they understood the game after all. Granted, they didnt know enough to not make a series of comical mistakes and banked all their efforts on something doomed to fail, but still.

    Did love this part of the article:



    Seems like a bunch of Finheaven posters owe Weatherford an apology email.
    Never saw one actual poll with it winning although it seems polls were sparce on this. In march is was 77 percent against
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