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    A Question of STATS?

    Some don't care for stats, saying that the eyeball test is what matters. However, PFF takes up to 10 hours to watch every player, on every play, to give their grades and rankings. Then there is the NFL, ESPN, etc who have added a lot to their stats to try and keep pace.

    A saying, from everyone's favorite in Tuna, was that "you are what your record is." Many use that, discounting injury and the like. Does the same apply to players in being what there stats are or, how does it differ?

    From what I have seen, for the most part, the best players have the best stats. What am I missing?
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    When you look at Tannehill's stats from last year they do no tell the whole tale. When you watch him play you just see flashes that are not shown in stats. That's what a lot of people are talking about when they say its not all about the stats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foozool13 View Post
    When you look at Tannehill's stats from last year they do no tell the whole tale. When you watch him play you just see flashes that are not shown in stats. That's what a lot of people are talking about when they say its not all about the stats.
    Have to disagree here. Are flashes more important than a body of work? I do see both sides, just trying to show both to others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southbeach 2 View Post
    Have to disagree here. Are flashes more important than a body of work? I do see both sides, just trying to show both to others.
    You also have to consider the team around them. Based on last year's stats, do you feel that Brandon Lloyd is a better WR than Larry Fitzgerald?
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    Brandon Marshall had his best season as a receiver last year yet the Bears offense as a whole was worse than the prior year when Marshall wasn't with them. Same thing happened when he joined us...he had a really good year but our offense overall went down....what does that mean?
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    Stats can be very misleading. Was your passing percentage abnormally impacted by drops or heavy pressure from poor line play? If a running back has two 80 yard runs due to busted plays by the defense and then gains 40 yards on his next 16 carries for a total 200 yards on 20 carries, doesn't mean he's a better back than someone who carried the ball 20 times and gained seven yards each time for only 140 yards.

    Stats can be greatly inpacted by your teammates, you opponent and even by the type of opportunities you get. Getting 10 carries in the gaps between the guards and center on running situations is a lot different than getting 10 carries on sweeps and draws when the defense is playing back. When you look at the numbers you see two players that had 10 carries each, but it's not the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregorygrant83 View Post
    Stats can be very misleading. Was your passing percentage abnormally impacted by drops or heavy pressure from poor line play? If a running back has two 80 yard runs due to busted plays by the defense and then gains 40 yards on his next 16 carries for a total 200 yards on 20 carries, doesn't mean he's a better back than someone who carried the ball 20 times and gained seven yards each time for only 140 yards.

    Stats can be greatly inpacted by your teammates, you opponent and even by the type of opportunities you get. Getting 10 carries in the gaps between the guards and center on running situations is a lot different than getting 10 carries on sweeps and draws when the defense is playing back. When you look at the numbers you see two players that had 10 carries each, but it's not the same.
    Well said, and agreed. So, does PFF watching players on every play negate that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Of Miami View Post
    Their are to many variables in football and if you don't understand that by now then...............................................
    Do the same variables apply to a team being what their record is? How does it differ?

    Does anyone disagree that, for the most part, the best players have the best stats?

    My understanding of the game is just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southbeach 2 View Post
    Do the same variables apply to a team being what their record is? How does it differ?

    Does anyone disagree that, for the most part, the best players have the best stats?

    My understanding of the game is just fine.
    Of course to a certain extent, the best player have the best stats. I do not even see the debate on that.
    however, stats can be read and used in different ways.

    My favorite example is Brandon Marshall's game where he had 21 catches. And his team lost.

    stats are important because they are one of the major yardsticks which players, systems, coaches etc are measured. I like the Madden ratings (stats) on players. What do you mean by someone being really strong or very fast or has a "strong" arm? Give it a number.

    Most of the time stats show what a player is within the team and system he plays in. Last season Tannehill's stats showed him to be at about the level he was at considering our WRs etc as well as his progress. I expect his Madden stats to be higher and his "real" season stats to also improve.
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