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Thread: Play Makers Coming?

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    Fact: If a WR only has 1 TD for the whole year, and started that whole year......He is NOT a play maker
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    Hmmm, I'm trying to determine what is a play maker for you guys..

    a. a guy that makes plays when needed? or
    b. a guy who scores TD's when making a play?

    I guess my question comes from, was Bess a play maker or not? When we needed first downs, was he a play maker, or did his lack of TD's make him a non play maker?.. so in open field was he a play maker, and in the red zone he was not..is that accurate? Is that his fault or the QB's..because I saw him get open on a number of redzone plays, great moves, but didn't get the ball.. So is it TD's or available for plays and made them when needed?

    In mho, both Hartline and Bess were above average receivers when catching the ball, but were average receivers when the ball was in their hands outside the redzone, and marginal inside the redzone..but some of that is QB play..the lack of turning a play into a TD or an extra 20-30 yards after the catch makes them non play makers in my book..but I give a special salute to both for being 1st down machines...they make the hard catch which could be consider a play maker in some circles. I can see that too. YAC defines a play maker for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDFINFAN View Post
    Hmmm, I'm trying to determine what is a play maker for you guys..

    a. a guy that makes plays when needed? or
    b. a guy who scores TD's when making a play?

    I guess my question comes from, was Bess a play maker or not? When we needed first downs, was he a play maker, or did his lack of TD's make him a non play maker?.. so in open field was he a play maker, and in the red zone he was not..is that accurate? Is that his fault or the QB's..because I saw him get open on a number of redzone plays, great moves, but didn't get the ball.. So is it TD's or available for plays and made them when needed?

    In mho, both Hartline and Bess were above average receivers when catching the ball, but were average receivers when the ball was in their hands outside the redzone, and marginal inside the redzone..but some of that is QB play..the lack of turning a play into a TD or an extra 20-30 yards after the catch makes them non play makers in my book..but I give a special salute to both for being 1st down machines...they make the hard catch which could be consider a play maker in some circles. I can see that too. YAC defines a play maker for me.
    Like I said about hartline, bess is a solid player but a playmaker he's not. You don't trade away playmakers that are also good off the field to Cleveland for nothing. Wallace is a legit playmaker,
    Brandon Marshall was a playmaker not hartline or bess
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Phin View Post
    Take away the 253 yard game from Hartline...and he was just an average (or below average) player last year. Hartline was NOT a play maker..
    Um..why do we need to take the 253 yard game away?
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    While we're taking stats off of players to make them look average,lets take the Rookie out of Ryan Tannehill and maybe Hartline scores 6 TD's and puts up 1500 yards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LDaniel7 View Post
    Only the most aqua-colored glasses could ever call Hartline a "playmaker."

    Playmakers don't disappear when challenged to beat man coverage.
    Playmakers don't depend on making plays by double moves and then running back toward the LOS to make half their catches.
    Playmakers don't struggle to get a half-yard of separation, with windows that close immediately.
    Playmakers don't disappear in the red zone.
    Playmakers don't disappear when the defense is focused on them.
    Playmakers don't disappear for long stretches in a season.

    I could go on, but it's probably pointless.

    Reggie Bush was a playmaker on O last year.
    Same with Tanny.

    But calling Hartline a playmaker is like calling Bess a playmaker.

    So great that he got trundled off to Cleveland for a piece of bubble gum and pocket change.

    Yeah. Bess and Hartline are such great playmakers that Miami had one of the best WR corps last year and Miami didn't have to go out and spend 70 million dollars to get actual talent... oh, wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDFINFAN View Post
    Hmmm, I'm trying to determine what is a play maker for you guys..

    a. a guy that makes plays when needed? or
    b. a guy who scores TD's when making a play?
    Or a guy that has the ability to make the play on their own. Bush could turn a tackle for loss into the spectacular with a couple of jukes. Wallace can turn a 5 yd slant into a 50 yd gain if you give him a couple of steps. There is always the need for the dependable, and if the Heat had Rodgers or Manning under center I think guys like Bess and Hartline may be viewed differently, but they just aren't able to do much on their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phindog View Post
    While we're taking stats off of players to make them look average,lets take the Rookie out of Ryan Tannehill and maybe Hartline scores 6 TD's and puts up 1500 yards.
    keep dreaming lol
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    Hartline is not a "playmaker" , he's a route running specialist with solid speed. Does nothing special. He's a possession receiver with solid not great hands. If You think hartline "makes" plays you don't know playmakers.
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    Anyone consider Wes Welker a play maker?
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