As far as Eshlemon's link. If true, that's pretty damning. But I don't trust it. The NSA wants the guy, and will paint him in any manner necessary to turn the public against him. I'm no conspiracy theorist, as anyone can attest to, but I find it odd that someone who just let us know that people were being spied on is all of a sudden an international espionage master...
Now for your next post, please tell the class how you support small government.
The only thing I have to say on this is the following, if this were a Chinese dude divulging secrets about China we would give him asylum and a large track of land in the mid-west.
This is a dirty little secret that the US didn't want out, kinda like that one bar whore we all shared, everyone rode her, everyone knows it but no one will admit to it. Russia, China, France, Britain the US..........all doin' it and not just in the name of national security, I'd say more in the lines of national interests would be a better term.
You can bitch about traitors or heroes, liberals or conservatives it's all ****ed up on so many levels it doesn't matter how it turns out at this point.
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"Martining" things is no way to go through life.
Don't be a Martin.
I'll give you an example of what I mean. Speeding is illegal, right? We all know it is. So how about I install a tracking device on your car that monitors the speed at which you drive. If you exceed the posted speed limit, a ticket is automatically mailed to your house. You're okay with that, right? After all, as long as you don't do anything illegal, what do you have to fear?
Is this some kind of joke? During the Civil War there were times when battles were raged so close to Washington that you could actually hear the cannon fire at the White House. To imply that there is any comparison of that time to this one is laughably ignorant. And in any case, I don't believe Lincoln was right to do what he did. Suspending habeus corpus won no battles. It certainly didn't win the war. It didn't uncover the plot to assassinate not just Lincoln but Andrew Johnson and the secretary of War and a bunch of other people.In a Democracy you don't have complete freedom to do whatever you want Walrus. You give up a certain amount of rights. Take the American Civil War for example. Abraham Lincoln suspended the writ of habeus corpus, which is allowed under the Constitution "In cases of rebellion or invasion, when the public safety may require it." I believe this is under Sec. 9 of the Constitution, if memory serves me correctly. We are arguably in a period of time where public safety is just as much at risk, not but foreign countries, but by homegrown terrorists and traitors like Snowden.
It's a quote from a movie, not that I was calling you an idiot. I was only saying I pitied you, which I do. Apparently the world is a very dangerous and scary place for you, despite the fact that by any historical standard it's one of the most peaceful periods in all of recorded human history. It's apparently not enough that we have a 10 to one numerical superiority in every conceivably military category, both offensive and defensive. It's apparently not enough that in addition to the potential for military dominance we also dominate the world politically and economically. No, apparently the world is so ****ing terrifying that the most sophisticated spying apparatus yet conceived can't just be turned on our enemies -- meager and pathetic as they are -- it has to be turned on Americans. Reading our emails, tracking our phone calls, tabulating our movements and our presence in the digital realm.Of course it is not possible to have a normal conversation with you Liberals, without you resorting to calling people idiots.
I pity you for being that frightened. I sincerely do. Give me your address and I'll send you a blankie.