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Thread: Is Philbin A Leader of Men?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hooshoops View Post
    matt moore wouldn't have saved him either...
    Not saying he would have, but Matt Moore likely would have been good for 2 more wins that Henne couldnt muster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southbeach 2 View Post
    Yes I am D13, and you are right, it is a small sampling. However, it is a fair sampling of real fans, not in the media, who know the game. It is more than my opinion alone or any single poster but, much less than this forum.

    I can put up countless links to what the media has to say. However, this thread is just about what some fans have to say for a topic of discussion.
    The flaw is that fans on here, and "real" dolphins fans know much more about the team than displaced NYJ, or NE fans do, even if [we] are not living in Florida. The same goes for the media. The media has a general bias toward the Dolphins so suffice to say that the media would simply say Philbin is not a leader of men because of that bias. I do not buy into ANYTHING the media says, good or bad. I form my own opinions. With that being said, what I witnessed this year was a leader. Tannehilll had some success this year, and after he threw an INT or took a sack, or just made a bad play, you could see on the next pay or the next drive he just forgot about it and moved forward. Philbin had to have something to do with that. It would have been Philbins leadership that taught Tannehill to forget and move on. That showed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dolpns13 View Post
    Not saying he would have, but Matt Moore likely would have been good for 2 more wins that Henne couldnt muster.
    ehhh...maybe...but the d would have figured him out and exploited him too over time
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southbeach 2 View Post
    Yes I am D13, and you are right, it is a small sampling. However, it is a fair sampling of real fans, not in the media, who know the game. It is more than my opinion alone or any single poster but, much less than this forum.

    I can put up countless links to what the media has to say. However, this thread is just about what some fans have to say for a topic of discussion.
    Just so there's no hypocrisy in your SoBe focus group where it's the Pats fans who think Philbin should be more emotional and Jest fans who believe he should be more intellectual ..cuz that would be just a tad disingenuous


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    Quote Originally Posted by dolpns13 View Post
    The flaw is that fans on here, and "real" dolphins fans know much more about the team than displaced NYJ, or NE fans do, even if [we] are not living in Florida. The same goes for the media. The media has a general bias toward the Dolphins so suffice to say that the media would simply say Philbin is not a leader of men because of that bias. I do not buy into ANYTHING the media says, good or bad. I form my own opinions. With that being said, what I witnessed this year was a leader. Tannehilll had some success this year, and after he threw an INT or took a sack, or just made a bad play, you could see on the next pay or the next drive he just forgot about it and moved forward. Philbin had to have something to do with that. It would have been Philbins leadership that taught Tannehill to forget and move on. That showed.
    Would it surprise you to find out that "some" Pats and Jets fans have more good things to say about our team than "some" posters here? True story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooshoops View Post
    ehhh...maybe...but the d would have figured him out and exploited him too over time
    I have to disagree. He is a veteran who has started and everything teams know about him wasnt going to change if he got more playing time so in that I do not think there is an opportunity to exploint anything new. In 2011 as a starter he had an average QBR of 91. I still think he would have netted us a couple more wins had he started over Henne.. Maybe even 3 more.. With that being said however, had that been the case we probably wouldnt have fired the Meatball and thus wouldnt have Tannehill right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaark View Post
    Just so there's no hypocrisy in your SoBe focus group where it's the Pats fans who think Philbin should be more emotional and Jest fans who believe he should be more intellectual ..cuz that would be just a tad disingenuous
    No hypocrisy and/or dis-ingenuousness involved. Just knowledgeable fans, from all THREE teams, giving their assorted opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dolpns13 View Post
    I have to disagree. He is a veteran who has started and everything teams know about him wasnt going to change if he got more playing time so in that I do not think there is an opportunity to exploint anything new. In 2011 as a starter he had an average QBR of 91. I still think he would have netted us a couple more wins had he started over Henne.. Maybe even 3 more.. With that being said however, had that been the case we probably wouldnt have fired the Meatball and thus wouldnt have Tannehill right now.
    with or without matt moore starting they still would have been looking for a qb...they said so even after he finished the year doing well...they don't view matt moore as anything long term starting material wise...i'm glad too cause i don't either
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southbeach 2 View Post
    FWIW, I have my "Live Forum" in South Beach, which is a melting pot for fans from NY, NE, and Miami. I share what is being said with you the same way I share with them what you guys are saying. It's an assortment from Happy Hour, the job site, etc. There are no links, no media, just fans giving an opinion.

    The opinions on Philbin are mixed from Jets, to Pats, to Phins. Almost all agree that he did a fine job last year with questionable talent on O, with most wanting to see more this year, a bit like Tannehill. It's not a good or bad thing, just a realistic one.

    Some believe that a HC has to be an emotional leader of men to take them a little step further than what they would normally do. That's very tuff to argue with.

    Others love the cerebral approach, in being completely on top of each and every detail, and putting players in position to do their best. This is what Philbin is and, so far, I kinda like it, although I would prefer some more emotion. JMO

    We shall see how Philbin plays out in the next two seasons, this one is not enough. I believe he will do well. However, emotion in the NFL cannot be diminished as if it does not matter. Parity has done away with that.
    What qualifications do any of them have to judge a man's leadership when they are not in,
    employed by, or in any way associated with the organization he's tasked to lead?

    For that matter, what qualifications do they have to judge the leadership qualities of anyone?


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